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  • Originally posted by Sandugp View Post
    Za to imas vise razloga. Najbitniji je jer mu je od svih protivnika protiv Nadala blok ritern najneucinkovitiji. Zatim Rafael nije ove nedelje bas najbolje servirao, a Federer je to svakako znao. A imas i psiholoski momenat iznenadjenja, jer ovaj svakako nije ocekivao da ce Svajcarac u tolikoj meri napasti njegov prvi servis....
    Vec duze vreme on to radi, treba pocitati clanak do kraja, nije to taktika samo za ovaj mec

    This pattern change did not “out of nowhere” take place on Sunday. Federer’s increased tendency to come over the top on the backhand returns since the 2015 season started in Brisbane, has been remarkable to anyone who was willing to notice it. I suspected that it was an essential goal that he set with his team, to focus on the aggressive drive backhand return, starting with the off-season practice in December of 2014. When I asked him, during the Istanbul Open, if that was the case, he confirmed that it indeed was.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

    Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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    • Originally posted by bojanaBG View Post
      Vec duze vreme on to radi, treba pocitati clanak do kraja, nije to taktika samo za ovaj mec
      Naravno da nije, ali vec duze vreme se on nije uopste sastajao protiv Nadala, tako da je prvi put u nekom skorijem periodu da to primenjuje. Secam se Sinsinatija 2013 ... tada je isto tako ako ne i jos agresivnije riternirao. Imao je i set viska (izgubio je na kraju) ali se odlicno drzao...
      Last edited by Sandugp; 02-11-15, 13:12.
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      • Originally posted by Sandugp View Post
        Naravno da nije, ali vec duze vreme se on nije uopste sastajao protiv Nadala, tako da je prvi put u nekom skorijem periodu da to primenjuje. Secam se Sinsinatija 2013 ... tada je isto tako ako ne i jos agresivnije riternirao. Imao je i set viska 8izgubio je na kraju) ali se odlicno drzao...
        Zaboravi na 2013., tada je jos igrao sa starim reketom, a i vukao povredu 6 meseci.
        Poenta je da on agresivno vraca servis vec duze vreme, ali se u ovom mecu najvise videlo, zato sto je Nadal navikao da mu gadja bh i dobija kratke lopte iz riterna, sa kojima je mogao da radi sta god hoce, a sad se to nije desilo.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

        Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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        • Cak ni juce nije u kontinuitetu nesto preterano duboko riternirao. Imao je zaista neke odlicne riterne, ali imao je i plitkusa samo tako. Samo sto Rafinjo nije znao sta ce u pojedinim momentima meca jer ga je Federer pre svega intenzitetom i odlicnim shootmakingom (najvise na samom startu meca - citaj u prvom setu i pocetkom drugog, a sve je to padalo kako je mec odmicao) urnisao.
          Nadalu borbenosti nije nedostajalo a ni voljnog momenta. Videlo se da se bas skenjao kada je pretrpeo odlucujuci brejk i nesto kasnije kada je izgubio mec. A Federer je na smom kraju licio na bezglavog Ljodru kada upadne u svoj mod. Imao je srece (i umeca naravno) pa je svezao nekoliko dobrih servisa.
          Znaci mu ova pobeda i te kako, a realno i zasluzio ju je. Dok je Rafael igrao dobro, ali nedovoljno dobro. Videcemo sta nam kraj ove sezone jos donosi...
          Last edited by Sandugp; 02-11-15, 13:35.
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          • Pa morao je 2 puta da ga pobedi, na onoj prvoj meci lopti ga je linijski sudija bas zajebao.
            Na kraju je mozda Nadal mogao da dodje do brejk lopte, ali je ponovo isao na bh, a Role ga je skroz procitao i samo spustio volej.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

            Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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            • Originally posted by cacanin View Post
              Kad Novak melje sve redom SVI SU TI LOSI kad su Fed i Rafa dobijali oni su Bog, Goat, istorija, Vanzemaljci.
              Ih, pa vi sve Fedove uspehe pripisujete slaboj eri, zasto bi vas igrac bio izuzetak? :-P

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              • Bojana,

                1.
                Federer ima sjajan slajz BH return i nakupio je brdo slemova igrajuci ga protiv igraca ala Rodik. Protiv Nadala taj return nikada nije bio efikasan kao protiv drugih. Ali davno je to zapazeno u Federerovom kampu. shminka je pomenu Anakona i u pravu je.

                2.
                Federer jeste igrao sa starim reketom 2013. i jeste imao losu sezonu. Medjutim, mec u Sinsinatiju je odigrao odlicno i bio relativno bilzu pobjedi protiv izvanrednog, nikad samouvjerenijeg, Nadala. Jedan od razloga za Federerovu dobru pariju je bilo i angresivno returniranje. Sandu je tu u pravu.

                3.
                Od Sinsinatija je Federerov BH napredovao, ne malim dijelom zbog promjene reketa. Nadalova forma, iako u usponu, je daleko od one iz Sinsinatija. Statisticki je Federer bio znatno bolji jucer ali je rezultatski jedva dobio mec. Sigurno je returniranje malo doprinijelo statistickoj nadmoci, ali je mec dobijen u prvom redu zato sto Federer nije dozvolio starim kompleksima da ga nadjacaju. To je daleko vaznije od nacina na koji je returnirao.

                4.
                Promjena u nacinu returniturniranja ce sigurno pomoci Federeru u mecevima sa Nadalom. Ali to je marginalno i tesko da ce presudjivati njihove meceve. Jucer je Nadal osvojio 65.6% poena na prvi servis. U mecevima na hardu protiv Federera mu je prosjek 67.6%. Maksimum je bio 82.4% u Miamiu 2011. a minimum 46.7% na WTF-u 2011. Devet puta je Nadal bio bolji nego jucer a 6 losiji nego jucer. Sve u svemu, jucerasnje Federerovo returniranje je tek malo bolje od prosjeka.

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                • 2013. slobodno ispusti iz cele price, jedan mec ne moze da promeni da mu je to najgora sezona u karijeri.

                  A apsolutno se ne slazem da je marginalno to sto je Fed konacno vracao servis kako treba da vraca, sto je bio agresivan, pa po cenu greske.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                  Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                  • Originally posted by bojanaBG View Post
                    2013. slobodno ispusti iz cele price, jedan mec ne moze da promeni da mu je to najgora sezona u karijeri.

                    A apsolutno se ne slazem da je marginalno to sto je Fed konacno vracao servis kako treba da vraca, sto je bio agresivan, pa po cenu greske.
                    Bojana nemoj da budes kao Novakovci koji racunaju H2H protiv najjacih rivala i osvojene slemove i masterse od 2011 pa na ovamo.
                    Sve se racuna i sve se pamti, pa i ta 2013 (Federerova ocajnica) i ako ona u ovoj prici nije bitna uopste vec je bitan samo nacin na koji je on riternirao u jednom mecu te famozne 2013 godine. Ne racunaj, pa ne racunaj ... sto da ne racuna? Da se nije mozda taj mec izbrisao??? Ma ajte molim vas
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                    • Normalno da se racuna u h2h, ali ne moze da se racuna u nekoj ozbiljnijoj analizi, kad je tada vise mislio na ledja nego na tenis.
                      Par nedelja pre toga ga dobili Delbonis i Brandsa na sljaci, a par nedelja posle toga pukao od Robreda na USO i to sa 3:0, i ja taj jedan usamljeni mec, gde je najverovatnije sampionski gen proradio pa je dao preko svog trenutnog maksimuma, treba da racunam kao validni.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                      Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                      • Originally posted by bojanaBG View Post
                        Normalno da se racuna u h2h, ali ne moze da se racuna u nekoj ozbiljnijoj analizi, kad je tada vise mislio na ledja nego na tenis.
                        Par nedelja pre toga ga dobili Delbonis i Brandsa na sljaci, a par nedelja posle toga pukao od Robreda na USO i to sa 3:0, i ja taj jedan usamljeni mec, gde je najverovatnije sampionski gen proradio pa je dao preko svog trenutnog maksimuma, treba da racunam kao validni.
                        Ne mec, bozegospode ti si stvarno lik. Ajde jos samo jednom. Ne mec, vec nacin na koji je riternirao u tom mecu i uticaj koji je ritern kao takav imao na igru a samim tim i na rezultat meca. Kontas? I onda se pravi odredjena paralela sa ovim u Bazelu ali samo na konto tog (takvog - vise agresivnog) riterna, ne poredimo meceve i ne poredimo igru vec samo riterniranje ...
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                        U crnim rupama možeš ludo da se zezaš. Da lebdiš iznad zemlje. Da slušaš rock ´n´ roll.Dozivaš kišu.
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                        • Originally posted by Sandugp View Post
                          Ne mec, bozegospode ti si stvarno lik. Ajde jos samo jednom. Ne mec, vec nacin na koji je riternirao u tom mecu i uticaj koji je ritern kao takav imao na igru a samim tim i na rezultat meca. Kontas? I onda se pravi odredjena paralela sa ovim u Bazelu ali samo na konto tog (takvog - vise agresivnog) riterna, ne poredimo meceve i ne poredimo igru vec samo riterniranje ...
                          A onda se 2013. na WTF vratio na staro, pa i 2014. na AO...da ta vasa prica bas ima logiku.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                          Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                          • Originally posted by bojanaBG View Post
                            A onda se 2013. na WTF vratio na staro, pa i 2014. na AO...da ta vasa prica bas ima logiku.
                            Ja se samo secam kako je on tada riternirao. Znaci ne pitam se ni zasto ni zbog cega, vec samo zapazam da je te 2013 u Sinsinatiju riternirao slicno (ako ne jos agresivnije) kao juce u Bazelu.
                            Zasto se on u kasnijim mecevima vracao na drugaciji nacin riterniranja u to ne ulazim niti me pravo da ti kazem zanima. Vec jednostavno osvrcem na taj Sinsinati i uzimam riterniranje it tog meca kao reper u odnosu na ovaj... A totalno mi je nebitno da li je to deo njegove taktike ili mu je to jednostavno tako palo sa neba odlucio u trenutku i zbog cega takvu taktiku nije primenjivao cesce protiv Nadala... to me (poanvljam) ne interesuje. Interesuje me samo ucinkovitost njegovog takvog riterniranja protiv Rafaela i uticaj na igru i dalji tok poena.
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                            U crnim rupama možeš ludo da se zezaš. Da lebdiš iznad zemlje. Da slušaš rock ´n´ roll.Dozivaš kišu.
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                            • Vidim, otvoren si za diskusiju.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                              Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                              • Originally posted by bojanaBG View Post
                                Vidim, otvoren si za diskusiju.
                                Ma jok, otvoren sam za seriju koju upravo pokusavam da odgledam, ali mi ti ne dozvoljavas ...
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                                U crnim rupama možeš ludo da se zezaš. Da lebdiš iznad zemlje. Da slušaš rock ´n´ roll.Dozivaš kišu.
                                Ili da mazneš neku lepu ribu. Samo je bezveze kada se probudiš….

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