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Sam Hornish Jr.
26.09.2019, 08:38
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Trka 13:10

:f1:

Mark0
28.09.2019, 14:21
Dodjosmo do toga da se Luis raduje i zahvaljuje ekipi za p2 ::)
Na drugacijoj su strategiji, trka obecava..

Sam Hornish Jr.
28.09.2019, 19:22
Mecka na kolenima. Ali obezbedili su naslov.

Greska Binota sto malom nije od samog starta davo vetar u ledja nego su ga sabotirali, uvek je imao losiju strategiju i timska naredjenja. A sad se vidi da cetvorostruka prevara ne moze da se nosi sa Hamom i da jedini koji to moze unutar Ferarija je mister Lekler nova zvezda.

Sam Hornish Jr.
28.09.2019, 19:30
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Sam Hornish Jr.
29.09.2019, 09:49
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VR6
29.09.2019, 13:49
Mecka na kolenima.

prvo skoči, pa reci hop....tako su mene učili u tvojim godinama :)

Potpuna dominacija Mercedesa - opet ::)::)::)

Ferari, luzerska ekipa - opet :facepalm::facepalm: eksperti da od 1 - 2 naprave 3 - ništa :cool:

forum1nick
29.09.2019, 13:58
@VR6 Iskusno, iskusno. :)

Sam Hornish Jr.
29.09.2019, 15:22
prvo skoči, pa reci hop....tako su mene učili u tvojim godinama :)

Potpuna dominacija Mercedesa - opet ::)::)::)

Ferari, luzerska ekipa - opet :facepalm::facepalm: eksperti da od 1 - 2 naprave 3 - ništa :cool:

Prvo ja ne navijam za Ferari a Mecka je posle kvalifikacija i do izlaska spasonosnog VSC bila na kolenima. Levis je dobio besplatan pit-stop.

i otkud ti znas kolko ja imam godina :)

Mark0
29.09.2019, 18:05
Prvo ja ne navijam za Ferari a Mecka je posle kvalifikacija i do izlaska spasonosnog VSC bila na kolenima. Levis je dobio besplatan pit-stop.

i otkud ti znas kolko ja imam godina :)
Nisam gledao trku, ali koliko citam ovo je bio slucaj.

VR6
29.09.2019, 18:23
Prvo ja ne navijam za Ferari a Mecka je posle kvalifikacija i do izlaska spasonosnog VSC bila na kolenima. Levis je dobio besplatan pit-stop.

i otkud ti znas kolko ja imam godina :)

godine - procena prema načinu razmišljanja 17 do 21, a verovatno imaš oko 25 :)

a što se ovog drugo dela tiče, ne bih se složio sa tobom nikako. do odlaska Fetela na zamenu guma, posle 28 krugova vožnje na mekim gumama, razlika između Fetela i Hamiltona (srednje tvrde gume) je bila 5 sekundi, što je moraš priznati neočekivano malo i sad malo šbbkbb, Hamilton bi verovatno za neka 3-4 kruga prešao na meke, tako da sam gotovo siguran da ne bi bilo baš rutinski 1 - 2 za Ferari, ali to je sad sve u domenu u šbbkbb, tako da čestitke Hamiltonu i Botasu na odličnoj vožnji!
a Ferari bi trebalo ozbiljno da se pozabavi kako vozačima tako i "stručnim timom", jer ova svađa preko radija uopšte nije dobar znak, mogu samo da predpostavim kako se svađaju unutar 4 zida.

p.s. transkript razgovora između Ferarijevog boksa i vozača:


"He'll have to close up" - Ferrari's Russian GP radio transcript








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Luke Smith
29 Sep 2019
A run-down of the radio communications between Ferrari's pit wall and its drivers during Sunday's Russian Grand Prix.


Ferrari sparked controversy in Sunday's Russian Grand Prix as it used team orders with Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc to try and orchestrate a one-two finish, only to trip over itself and leave its drivers frustrated.

A pre-race agreement to work together and get the jump on Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton in second place prompted pole-sitter Leclerc to back out of fighting Vettel at Turn 2, allowing the German driver to move into the lead.

But despite a number of calls from Ferrari asking Vettel to swap the places back, he did not, with the switch only coming after the team gave Leclerc the undercut in the pits.

A Virtual Safety Car ironically triggered by Vettel stopping on track due to an issue ultimately cost Leclerc victory, causing him to drop to third in the final classification behind both Mercedes drivers.

Here's a look at the radio chatter between Ferrari's pit wall - both race engineers and sporting director Laurent Mekies - and its drivers.


Lap 2 (SC)

Xavier Marcos Padros to Charles Leclerc: "We are looking into doing the swap partway into the race."

Leclerc to Padros: "Yeah yeah, no problem, this I understand."

Lap 6

Padros to Leclerc: "Sebastian will let you by next lap."

Sebastian Vettel to Riccardo Adami: "I would have got him anyways. But let's break away for another two laps."

Lap 7

Adami to Vettel: "Let Charles by."

Vettel to Adami: "He'll have to close up."

Lap 8

Adami to Vettel: “Let him by, gap is 1.4 seconds."

Leclerc to Padros: "You put me behind. I respected everything. We will speak later. But now it is difficult to close the gap obviously."

Lap 10

Adami to Vettel: “You are the fastest car on-track, head down, you are doing well. We are looking into Plan C, Charles is 1.9 behind."

Laurent Mekies to Leclerc: "Charles, we will do the swap later on. Lewis is a bit close, and we want to push now into the race. We will do it later, just focus on your race, thank you."

Leclerc to Mekies: "I completely understand. The only thing is that I respected. I gave the slipstream, no problems. But then I tried to push at the beginning of the race, but it's no problems. Manage the situation."

Lap 15

Padros to Leclerc: “Sebastian in front 3.7, Hamilton behind 3.3."

Lap 16

Padros to Leclerc: “You can push now."

Lap 24

Vettel to Adami: “My rears are falling off."

Lap 25

Adami to Vettel: “We are worried about Hamilton going long, Hamilton lap time 8.8."

Lap 26

Adami to Vettel: "Box now Seb, box now."

Lap 27

Vettel to Adami: “I’ve got no K."

Adami to Vettel: “Stop the car now."

Vettel to Adami: “Are you serious? Bring back f**king V12s."

potpuno se slažem sa ovom Sebovom poslednjom rečenicom: VRATITE NAM V12!! :D:D

Sam Hornish Jr.
29.09.2019, 18:54
godine - procena prema načinu razmišljanja 17 do 21, a verovatno imaš oko 25 :)
hahaha daj mi reci kolko ti imas da te odma spustim.



potpuno se slažem sa ovom Sebovom poslednjom rečenicom: VRATITE NAM V12!! :D:D
sad je kasno, svet ide prema elektricnim motorima.

VR6
29.09.2019, 22:24
hahaha daj mi reci kolko ti imas da te odma spustim.



najmanje 20 više od tebe :D:D

p.s. ajmo negde na drugu temu da diskutujemo o električnim motorima

forum1nick
30.09.2019, 00:18
Ne znam kako ljudi vide lagano P1 i P2 za Ferrari kada LEC:
- na bržim gumama nije uspio da napravi razliku veću od 3s u odnosu na Hamiltona na sporijim gumama
- na najsvježijim i opet najbržim gumama nije uspio napraviti ni priliku da prođe Bottasa
Ferrari P1 i P2 i Mercedes na koljenima u našem narodu kažu "što je babi milo..."
Ne kažem da bi Hamilton bez SC prošao na P1, ali ne vjerujem ni da bi Ferrari rutinski sačuvao svoje pozicije.

Današnja trka će ostati prilično nerazjašnjena. Kao da su na početku trke u Mercedesu "znali" za Ferrarijeve probleme. Takve su bile gestikulacije u box-u.
Ferrari je na početku priredio najveće iznenađenje ove sezone, kada je LeClerc odigrao potez drugog vozača i dao čist prolaz za Vettela. Za ovo iznenađenje imaju veliki respekt od mene. Nisam očekivao da su sposobni to izvesti.
Ovo što su kasnije radili nikome, pa ni njima nije jasno. Da su slutili tehničke probleme sa Vettelom onda bi bili ludi puštati ga na P1, a onda, kada ima ogromnu prednost (4-5s) nad LEC oni ga drže na stazi i puštaju da osim LEC i Hamilton topi prednost.
Taktika Ferrarija od sjaja do očaja.
I da, jeste VSC pomogao Mercedesu, ali je SC dao priliku LeClerc-u da sve to ispravi, ali tada se pokazalo da je Ferrari daleko od dominacije, posebno kada trka odmiče.

forum1nick
30.09.2019, 00:24
TT mi ne dozvoljava duži post, pa samo dopuna...
Što se Ferrarija tiče, sada je sve izvesnije na će naredne godine imati drugačiju postavu. Sa ovom dvojicom definitivno više neće moći odrediti pozicije 1 i 2 u timu, a u izjednačenoj sezoni to jako otežava borbu za titulu vozača.
Ako Vettel ode tu se oslobađa ogromna količina novca, pa je pitanje koga će dovesti da to potroši, a da pri tome pristane na ulogu drugog vozača?
Ova sezona je takmičarski već gotova, ali sledeća bi mogla biti kakvu već dugo nismo imali.

Sam Hornish Jr.
30.09.2019, 06:59
p.s. ajmo negde na drugu temu da diskutujemo o električnim motorima

ma mene motori ne zanimaju, ja volim trke, naravno i zvuk treba da je tu kao i brzina. a sta im je iza ledja sto se mene tice moze da bude i ovo

https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/080216_mr_memory.jpg

Sam Hornish Jr.
30.09.2019, 07:09
TT mi ne dozvoljava duži post, pa samo dopuna...
Što se Ferrarija tiče, sada je sve izvesnije na će naredne godine imati drugačiju postavu.
I ja bi voleo ali Fetl je izjavio da ostaje. I sto bi se odreko $45 mil. koje ima po ugovoru. Nit ima gde otici. Izdrzace jos tu jednu godinu a onda po meni odlazi ne samo iz Ferarija nego i iz F1.

forum1nick
30.09.2019, 09:18
Ma Vettel je veliko ime. Mogao bi za velike pare da potraži sreću preko Bare. Do sada je zaradio silne novce, a i do kraja života će zarađivati više nego što troši (Švabo je to).
Ostankom samo rizikuje da bude potpuno deplasiran od strane čovjeka koji je upisao broj pobjeda na prste jedne ruke.
Ono što sam našao na internetu i F1 emisijama je da ovako podešen bolid Ferrarija je sve ono što ne odgovara Vettelovom stilu vožnje i tu su mu H2H šanse jako male i sa slabijim vozačima od LeClerc-a.
E sada, ako Vettel napravi deal da se i tu nešto mijenja... Mada to bi opet za Ferrari bio preveliki rizik jer taman što su složili bolid koji je konkurentan za titulu. A osim Mercedesa tu je uvijek RBR, a i McLaren je sve bolji. Tako krupne adaptacije bolida, bez obzira na vrhunski agregat, mogli bi teoretski da ih vrate konstruktorski 1 ili čak 2 mjesta unazad. Te gluposti čak ni Italijani neće napraviti.

I moram još jednom: Kako su j3b3no dobar fazon prodali na startu trke u Rusiji... Moguće da je neko i presreo poziv lično Žan Toda :) Ovi beljemezi nema šanse da bi se to sami dogovorili :)

Sam Hornish Jr.
30.09.2019, 10:25
Ma Vettel je veliko ime. Mogao bi za velike pare da potraži sreću preko Bare.
Ove pare sto dobija od Ferarija ni 1/4 ne bi dobio u Americi. Najbogatiji timovi u Indikaru ne placaju tolko. Pa njima je to ceo jednogodisnji budzet.

Sam Hornish Jr.
30.09.2019, 10:41
What’s it cost to compete in Formula One? An IndyCar comparison

The cars lining up to compete in this weekend’s Monaco Grand Prix and Indy 500 may appear the same. However, with even the smallest Formula One teams running on budgets around five times those of their leading IndyCar rivals, the similarity is only skin deep.

The casual observer might be forgiven for thinking that IndyCar has the superior technology, as Ed Carpenter set a pole position lap speed of 228.8 mph for this year’s Indy 500; Mark Webber’s top qualifying lap at the twisty Monaco track last year was just 100.4 mph.

In reality, the IndyCar teams purchase controlled-cost specification chassis from Dallara, whereas their F1 counterparts are involved in a costly high tech arms race to make it to the front of the grid. Unlike IndyCar teams F1 competitors are ‘constructors’ who build their own chassis — and in the case of Ferrari and Mercedes their own engines — at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars annually.

The leading F1 teams are constantly developing their machinery in order to eke out the extra split-seconds that will edge them ahead of their rivals. Big name brands such as Red Bull and Mercedes are willing to foot the bill because F1 is the world’s most watched annual sporting event and puts their brands in front of half a billion people worldwide.

As a result, the biggest spending F1 team Ferrari will run on an estimated budget of $470 million in 2013. This is more than 30 times the estimated $15 million budget of the leading IndyCar teams such as Ganassi and Andretti Autosport. The figures — supplied by Formula Money — below explain how the money is spent.

TOTAL BUDGET
Top F1 team: $470 million; Top IndyCar team: $15 million

This includes the following key areas of spending:

THE CAR
Top F1 team: $125 million; Top IndyCar team: $3 million

The largest single cost for most F1 teams is the design, development and construction of a bespoke chassis. F1 teams must construct their own chassis and although the manufacturing costs of an F1 car are a relatively small $15 million per year, top teams can spend well over $100 million on research and development.

All IndyCar teams must buy their chassis from series provider Dallara. The price is $345,000 per chassis, but the purchase of aerodynamic packages designed for different circuits can add another $150,000-$200,000. A team typically gets through three chassis per driver each year.

THE ENGINES
Top F1 team: $130 million; Top IndyCar team: $2 million

F1 manufacturers such as Ferrari and Mercedes spend more than $100 million annually on engine development. This is principally to supply their own teams, but they are required to also supply other teams with engines and typically charge $13 million per season to do so.

Honda and Chevrolet typically charge IndyCar teams around $1 million per year per driver for an engine package which will allow the use of eight engines.

TESTING
Top F1 team: $15 million; Top IndyCar team: $1 million

Restrictions on F1 testing in recent years have seen budgets slashed from $35 million to $15 million annually in order to cut costs. This is still far larger than the IndyCar teams’ $1 million annual spending.

DRIVERS
Top F1 team: $47 million; Top IndyCar team: $3 million

Two times world champion Fernando Alonso is one of the highest paid sports stars in the world, receiving an annual salary of $40 million from Ferrari. In contrast leading IndyCar drivers receive $1-2 million per year. Unlike F1 drivers they also receive prize money – $2.5 million for Dario Franchitti when he won last year’s Indy 500 – but are usually expected to give at least half of this to their team.

ENTRY FEE
Top F1 team: $3.3 million; Top IndyCar team: $456,000

F1’s governing body, the FIA, operates a complex system for entry fees where each team is charged a basic fee of $500,000, plus $6,000 per point scored in the previous season for the constructors’ champion and $5,000 per point for everyone else. This has left 2012 champion Red Bull Racing with a bill of $3,260,000 this year. In contrast, IndyCar teams pay $12,000 per car per race.

HOSPITALITY
Top F1 team: $13 million; Top IndyCar team: $1 million

Hospitality may seem like a frivolous extra but it is a crucial part of how an F1 team operates. Sponsors spend up to $100 million annually so expect to receive silver service treatment when they visit a Grand Prix. A top F1 team can spend more on hospitality in a season than an IndyCar team spends on its entire budget. In contrast leading IndyCar teams may spend up to $200,000 at a showpiece event like the Indy 500, but far less at other races.

KEY SUPPLIES
Top F1 team: Free; Top IndyCar team: $1 million

One area where IndyCar costs far outstrip F1 is in the area of key supplies. Due to the high level of exposure F1 generates, many companies are keen to supply top level products free of charge in return for becoming an official partner of the team. Ferrari, for example, has sponsorship from a range of automotive companies including Shell (gas), SKF (bearings), NGK (spark plugs), Magneti Marelli (electronics) and Brembo (brakes). A typical top IndyCar team spends around $1 million a year on purchasing similar supplies.

OTHER
Top F1 team: $136.7 million; Top IndyCar team: $3.5 million

*Includes salaries, travel and factory costs.

forum1nick
30.09.2019, 15:23
M ne bi od timova, ali u Americi se svi top sportisti finansiraju preko sponzora. Izašao bi on opet na 20-30 miliona.
Za čovjeka koji je do sada zaradio 300+ miliona i osvojio 4 titule prilično je nepotrebno da te h2h dobija 10-20 puta jeftiniji vozač.
Obe godine LeClerc ga je ispoštovao u prvim trkama, kasnije ga je i tim štitio, na kraju je počeo nešto i sam da radi, ali sledeće sezone sam siguran da će od prvog kruga biti pod jednakim kriterijumom ili da nikakvu podršku neće imati od kolege, naprotiv,...
Vjerujem da se Vettelovom opstanku u Ferrariju najviše raduju Hamilton i Mercedes

forum1nick
30.09.2019, 15:36
Ni Alonso nije mogao dobiti približan ugovor, ali je ipak odlučio da je dosta, a pri tome nije imao negativan h2h.
Ostvari, u cijeloj karijeri to je samo Hamilton uspio da mu napravi u "onoj" sezoni.

Alan
30.09.2019, 19:15
Vetel u Mercedesu 2021.

VR6
30.09.2019, 23:11
ne treba im taj problem u najavi...Botas je najbolji drugi vozač na svetu

Alan
01.10.2019, 09:26
Nece da bude drugi nego prvi vozac.

forum1nick
01.10.2019, 11:31
Zanimljivo i moguće. Što se Bottasa tiče nisam siguran koliko će još njegova poslušnost držati radno mjesto. Ocon je ozbiljan potencijal.
Hmmm,... Da li je to Hamilton opet namirisao novi najbolji bolid? Ferrari, RBR, McLaren...

Alan
01.10.2019, 12:42
Ne, Hamilton ce u penziju kao vozac Mercedesa, na ovaj ili onaj nacin. Mislim zvanicnog Mercedes tima ili Meklaren-Meredesa ili Mercedesa na struju.

VR6
02.10.2019, 18:19
pre će Seb u penziju iako je 2 godine mlađi od Hama, plus nerealno je plaćen