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Vanja #66
20.09.2011, 20:14
http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2955&d=1316606107

Staza u Singapuru, kao i sama trka je vrlo specificna u Formuli 1, to je prva trka koja se vozila pod vestackim osvetljenjem. Lokacija je vrlo egzoticna, staza je zanimljiva i solidno izazvona za voziti, ali nedostatak pravih borbi je cesto odsutan. Kao polu-ulicna staza, ima delova gde je asfalt drugacijeg kvaliteta i mesavine od one koja je neophodna za trkacku. Na to dodajte cinjenicu da se za ceo vikend predvidjaju pljuskovi i moze se desiti da imamo nesto zanimljiviju trku nego ranije.

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2956&d=1316606108

Osnovni podaci:
Naziv staze: Marina Bay Street Circuit;
Arhitekta: Herman Tilke:
Duzina staze: 5.073km (3.17mi);
Broj krivina: 23;
Broj krugova: 61;
Duzina trke: 309.316km;
Rekord staze: 1:45.599 - Kimi Raikkonen (2008)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAoJjx3DCGc

Trenutno nema informacija o broju DRS zona na stazi, realno je ocekivati 2, od krivine 5-7 i na SC pravcu, no videcemo da li ce tako i biti.

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2959&d=1316606114

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2958&d=1316606112

Sto se tice tehnickih karakteristika staze, ovo je klasican primer Tilkeovog inzenjeringa, staza na kojoj ne preovladava ni brzina ni aerodinamicko prijanjanje, te je neophodno naci idealan balans istih. Precizna voznja je neophodna, narocito u 3. sektoru koji je izrazito tehnicki zahtevan, zbog kog se moze izgubiti ili dobiti mnogo vremena, splet krivina od 15. do poslednje zahteva brze reakcije i nimalo oklevanja, na neki nacin podseca na Suzuka S krivine. Kako se u njih udje, tako ce se i izaci, ritam je krucijalan. lepo je voziti ovu stazu ako ste u bolidu F1, ali prestici je gotovo misaona imenica, osim greske vozaca ispred vas ili prestizanja u boxu...

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2957&d=1316606110

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2960&d=1316606116

Ovo ce biti cetvrta godina u kojoj se vozi VN Singapura, s obzitom na to, staza nema "istoriju".
2008. godine pobednik je bio Fernando Alonso, u Renou, to je bila vrlo sumnjiva pobeda, s obzirom da se nesto kasnije ispostavilo da je Nelsinjo Pike napravio namernu gresku kako bi se pit-stop Alonsa u vrlo cudnom momentu isplatio na najbolji moguci nacin. Osim toga, mora se napomenuti bruka koju je tad doziveo tim Ferarija, nijedna vozac niej zavrsio u poenima, a Kimi Raikonen nije ni zavrsio trku. So na ranu je cinjenica da su imali 1. i 3. startnu poziciju, jedan od najgorih vikenda u istoriji tima. Podijum su na kraju cinili Alonso, Rosberg i Hamilton.
2009. pobednik je bio Luis Hamilton, jedna od retkih trka na kojoj ni Red Bul ni Bron GP timovi nisu bili pobednici te godine, ponovo se na podijumu nasao i Alonso (kao treci), a drugi je bio Timo Glok.
2010. Alonso pobedjuje drugi put na ovoj stazi, vodio je bitku u vremenima sa Fetelom, prakticno se nisu pomerili u odnosu na start, zavrsivsi trku sa 0.2s razlike. Veber je bio oko pola minuta iza njih na trecem mestu, a Hamilton je prokockao podijum u udesu na oko pola trke.

Ove godine je realno ocekivati Fetela za pobednika, Alonso bi mozda mogao da zavrsi na podijumu, a bitka za 2. i 3. mesto bi vrlo lako mogla da bude odlucena unutar ekipe MekLaren Mercedes... U svakom slucaju, navijajmo za kisu jer, po svemu sudeci, jedino bi ona mogla uciniti stvari zanimljivijim...

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2961&d=1316606117

Tony_G
20.09.2011, 23:25
Vanja kazes navijamo za kisu, a?
Ja se secam izvesne odlozene MotoGP nocne trke u Qataru zbog kise...
Kisa i reflektori prave nemoguce uslove za voznju, sumnjam da ce se voziti uopste ako bude kise...

Vladan
20.09.2011, 23:38
Najavili su kisu na zvanicnom sajtu,znaci nista od toga ::)

Da vidimo oce li Ferari odgovoriti Meklarenu,Fetela ne vidim ko ce zaustaviti

Nebojsa
21.09.2011, 07:50
Izbor guma: meke (prime), super meke (option) - ocekivano s obzirom na to da je gradska staza

http://static.sidepodcast.com/content/2011/08/yellow_red_pirelli_f1_tyres.jpg

Zona DRSa

http://f1-serbia.com/images/stories/vesti/Septembar/drs%20singapore.jpg

Vanja #66
21.09.2011, 08:19
Vanja kazes navijamo za kisu, a?
Ja se secam izvesne odlozene MotoGP nocne trke u Qataru zbog kise...
Kisa i reflektori prave nemoguce uslove za voznju, sumnjam da ce se voziti uopste ako bude kise...

Upravo, da ne gledamo ovu trku! :D

Nebojsa
21.09.2011, 08:21
Upravo, da ne gledamo ovu trku! :D

U pravu si, da bog da ih poplavilo :biggrin:

Vanja #66
21.09.2011, 12:48
Nesto su nestale slike, ne svidja mi se kako su resili ovo postavljanje slika juce i prekjuce, sredicu to za nekih 20 min...

Nebojsa
21.09.2011, 12:54
Nesto su nestale slike, ne svidja mi se kako su resili ovo postavljanje slika juce i prekjuce, sredicu to za nekih 20 min...

Kako mislis da su nestale slike, ja ih vidim.

Vanja #66
21.09.2011, 12:59
Ja ih ne vidim... Ma sacu sredim, uploadovao sam u poseban album i odatle cu da ih preusmerim ovde, za 3 minuta bice cakum-pakum! :D

Progledah! :D

Jos sam stvarno uradio za 3 minuta! :D

Iceman
21.09.2011, 13:38
bice kise 100 %

Vanja #66
21.09.2011, 13:49
Ovde kazu da ce biti... Ce da vidimo...

http://www.weather2umbrella.com/en/weather-forecast-singapore/eta/11/2133873/0/meteogram

Vladan
21.09.2011, 15:37
Evo sta kaze Alison


We have an upgrade package to deliver for Monza and then one more at Singapore. After that it will reduce to a trickle as we focus all of our efforts on next year.

Mozda ce Reno biti konkurentiji i blizi Mercedesu

Tony_G
21.09.2011, 15:47
Mozda ce Reno biti konkurentiji i blizi Mercedesu

Mislim da vec jeste, ali razliku prave vozaci.

Vladan
21.09.2011, 15:53
Ima i toga,bilo bi jako zanimljivo vidjeti pravog Roberta u ovom bolidu,ali posle ovoga Reno nece napredovati vise ove sezone,sto je i normalno,treba se okrenuti sledecoj

Nebojsa
21.09.2011, 15:57
Mercedes je jos uvek ispred Renoa i tako ce ostati do kraja sezone. To smo videli u Monci ;)

Nebojsa
22.09.2011, 10:20
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94687

Bivsi vozac medju sudijama ce biti Hajnc Harald Frencen. Sumi, pazi sta radis :biggrin:

Tony_G
22.09.2011, 10:52
Mercedes je jos uvek ispred Renoa i tako ce ostati do kraja sezone. To smo videli u Monci ;)

Monza i nije najbolje merilo, pravci i kocenja, videli smo kako je Sumaher zadrzavao Hamiltona, pa necemo reci da se Mercedes izjednacio sa McLarenom.
Izmedju Renoa i Mercedes je minimalna razlika, ako uopste postoji. Ali Rosberg i Schumacher su prosto bolji vozaci od Petrova i Senne.

Nebojsa
22.09.2011, 11:10
Monza i nije najbolje merilo, pravci i kocenja, videli smo kako je Sumaher zadrzavao Hamiltona, pa necemo reci da se Mercedes izjednacio sa McLarenom.
Izmedju Renoa i Mercedes je minimalna razlika, ako uopste postoji. Ali Rosberg i Schumacher su prosto bolji vozaci od Petrova i Senne.

Mercedesovi vozaci jesu bolji, ali mislim da je i bolid bolji od Renoovog. Mozda ne znacajno, ali jeste. To se vidi petkom i subotom kada su blizu najjacima, medjutim taj tempo gube u trci, samo oni znaju zasto.

Tony_G
22.09.2011, 11:32
Mercedesovi vozaci jesu bolji, ali mislim da je i bolid bolji od Renoovog. Mozda ne znacajno, ali jeste. To se vidi petkom i subotom kada su blizu najjacima, medjutim taj tempo gube u trci, samo oni znaju zasto.

Mislim da najjaci timovi tokom petka i subote rade simulaciju trke, ne trude se mnogo da postave najbolje moguce krugove, a zato kad dodju kvalifikacije uvek nadju po 0.5-1s, dok Mercedes prakticno vec na slobodnim treninzima dodje do maksimuma i onda ne moze dalje.

Nebojsa
22.09.2011, 11:39
Mislim da najjaci timovi tokom petka i subote rade simulaciju trke, ne trude se mnogo da postave najbolje moguce krugove, a zato kad dodju kvalifikacije uvek nadju po 0.5-1s, dok Mercedes prakticno vec na slobodnim treninzima dodje do maksimuma i onda ne moze dalje.

Vrlo moguce... Nazalost da bismo imali neku definitivnu sliku mogucnosti Renoa, treba nam Robert Kubica ili neki vozac tog ranga da bismo mogli da ih merimo sa Mercedesom. Videcemo sledece godine...

Tony_G
22.09.2011, 11:49
Vrlo moguce... Nazalost da bismo imali neku definitivnu sliku mogucnosti Renoa, treba nam Robert Kubica ili neki vozac tog ranga da bismo mogli da ih merimo sa Mercedesom. Videcemo sledece godine...

Pa o tome pricam, trenutno je razlika minimalna, a Reanult ima prosecne vozace, dok su Mercedesovi ipak bolji.
Opet pitanje je kako ce Kubica voziti posle ove povrede, videli smo na Massinom primeru da vozac nije isti posle teske povrede. Bice zanimljivo videti Reanult sledece godine, da li ce sacuvati Petrova ili Sennu, meni se cini da Senna moze doneti bolje rezultate, ali Petrov donosi sponzore(novac).
Nego sta bi sa Kimijevim povratkom? Jel se pominje nesto?

Nebojsa
22.09.2011, 11:53
Imas na njegovoj temi ;) Izgleda da ce u Vilijams, koji ce skartirati Barikela. Posle od 2013 ce videti, nije iskljuceno da dodje u neki od najjacih timova, bicu tu praznih mesta, Mercedes, Meklaren, Ferari... Zanimljivi dani pred nama :)

Tony_G
22.09.2011, 12:00
Imas na njegovoj temi ;) Izgleda da ce u Vilijams, koji ce skartirati Barikela. Posle od 2013 ce videti, nije iskljuceno da dodje u neki od najjacih timova, bicu tu praznih mesta, Mercedes, Meklaren, Ferari... Zanimljivi dani pred nama :)

E to su dobre vesti, samo sto ni on ne bi mnogo ucinio sa ovakvim Williamsom, morace ta ekipa mnogo da radi tokom zime.

A inace ni ne gledam sve teme, iskreno zamara me, ima previse tema za F1, nema potrebe za svaku sitnicu da se otvara nova tema. Vise ni nznm gde sta da pisem. Zato samo cekam teme o trkama...

Vanja #66
22.09.2011, 12:14
Stanje po bolidima u Top5:

Red Bull>>>McLaren>Ferrari>>Mercedes>Renault

Mislim da ce se svi sloziti po tom pitanju! :D

Vladan
22.09.2011, 12:59
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94687

Bivsi vozac medju sudijama ce biti Hajnc Harald Frencen. Sumi, pazi sta radis :biggrin:
Ovo je bas losa vijest :(:biggrin:

Ja mislim da razlika izmedju Renoa i Mercedesa nije toliko koliko trenutno izgleda,da je Kubica tu mislim da bi se itekako nosio sa njima,ali jeste Mecka ispred,ima bolji paket

Nebojsa
22.09.2011, 13:06
http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Video/Red-Bull-Racing-Shows-Texas-Some-Real-Horsepower-021243088594121

A bull is on the loose in Texas :) Izgleda legendarn, jedva cekam tu stazu u Ostinu. A i lepo je videti Dejvida za volanom F1 bolida :)

Vanja #66
22.09.2011, 13:15
http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Video/Red-Bull-Racing-Shows-Texas-Some-Real-Horsepower-021243088594121

A bull is on the loose in Texas :) Izgleda legendarn, jedva cekam tu stazu u Ostinu. A i lepo je videti Dejvida za volanom F1 bolida :)

Savrsenstvo ludila Formule 1! :f1:

pretorian
22.09.2011, 21:05
Ja volim i zaljubljen sam u sve vezano za Ferrari ali obožavam i Red Bull baš zbog ovakvih ludila!!

Nego... nezvanični treninzi....
Timovi ih koriste za simulaciju trke ali i za simulaciju svih mogućih varijanti, super meke gume, pun rezervoar, super meke gume prazan rezervoar, tvrde gume prazan rezervoar....high downforce, low downforce, vezani krugovi, brzi krugovi...
Na nezvaničnim treninzima ne može ništa da se vidi.... tek kad dođu kvalifikacije, konji se puštaju na stazu da se trkaju.
Što se tiče Mercedesa i Renaulta.... Mercedes je jači dok je Renault aerodinamički efikasniji. U tome je glavna razlika po meni. Što se tiče vozača, kako uopšte mogu Senna i Petrov da se stavljaju u korpu sa dvojicom nemaca??
A Kubica, vratiće se ali ne verujem do 2013. Dug je oporavak. I fizički i mentalno.
Singapur - očekujem dobru borbu Vettela i Alonsa za pobedu. Mada, mislim da će torro rosso imati iznenađenje za nas. Mercedes bi trebao da bude spor ovde a Renault brz. McLaren namerno izostavljam jer me nerviraju trenutno s njihovom arogancijom. ::)

Forza Tifosi, tifosi pazzo, avanti Ferrari!!

Vanja #66
22.09.2011, 22:10
Forza Ferrari! Vamos Alonso! :dw:

Vladan
22.09.2011, 22:22
Ja ocekujem od Kamuija velike stvari ovoga puta :D

Nebojsa
23.09.2011, 08:54
Nezvanicni treninzi danas od 12 i od pola 4.

Vanja #66
23.09.2011, 09:59
Aj neka neko umesto mene odrzi evidenciju danas sa slobodnim treninzima, od pola 1 sam van kuce, a vracam se tek uvece...

Nebojsa
23.09.2011, 10:25
Na stranim sajtovima su ponovo pokrenute glasine da ce Baton sledece godine voziti za Ferari, zapravo sada je prica jaca nego ikad. Baton zeli da produzi jer nema ugovor za sledecu godinu, ali Meklaren nista ne nudi jer izgleda ima neku rezervnu varijantu, jos se ne zna koga... Pretpostavlja se da je u pitanju jedan od vozaca iz Mercedes programa (Di Resta, Hulk - nemaju ugovore za sledecu godinu, FI ce objaviti vozace tek u decembru). Sa druge strane, Ferari je nezadovoljan Masom kao sto smo svi verovatno svesni i nece im biti problem da plate vise ako ce dobiti dobrog vozaca za sledecu godinu. Pogotovo nekog ko je dobar sa Alonsom, takvih nema mnogo. Zanimljiv razvoj situacije, treba to pratiti.
Meni je ovo izgledalo kao nasumicno povezivanje nezavisnih tacaka, ali sada izgleda ozbiljnije. Ferari zeli, Baton nema nista protiv iako je Meklaren i dalje najpozeljnija ekipa. Kao sto rekoh, odjednom postaje zanimljivo u najjacim timovima iako smo mislili da ce biti zatisje pred buru i najzanimljiviju transfer zimu svih vremena, 2012 na 2013. Mada opet sve moze da bude samo strategija u Dzenosonovim pregovorima, videcemo.

Tony_G
23.09.2011, 10:56
Ferrari bi bio mnogo ozbiljniji sa Buttonom umesto Masse, ali mislim da se McLaren ne bi bas usrecio sa Di Restom ili Hulkenbergom, mozda senzacionalni povratak Kimija u McLaren? Kimi i Lewis u istoj ekipi... Ko zna sta ce biti

Nebojsa
23.09.2011, 10:58
Ferrari bi bio mnogo ozbiljniji sa Buttonom umesto Masse, ali mislim da se McLaren ne bi bas usrecio sa Di Restom ili Hulkenbergom, mozda senzacionalni povratak Kimija u McLaren? Kimi i Lewis u istoj ekipi... Ko zna sta ce biti

Meni je to isto palo na pamet nego nisam smeo da kazem ;)

Ako hoce neko da uskoci :)

http://us2.chatzy.com/300711426065

Trening je odlozen n pola sata zbog popravci na stazi. Amateri :dr:

Jucerasnja konferencija za medije:

Singapore GP - Thursday - Press Conference

22 SEPTEMBER 2011
DRIVERS - Sebastien BUEMI (Toro Rosso), Timo GLOCK (Virgin), Sergio PeREZ (Sauber), Daniel RICCIARDO (HRT), Nico ROSBERG (Mercedes), Sebastian VETTEL (Red Bull)

PRESS CONFERENCE

Q: Timo, this is probably a circuit that you quite like giving that you finished second here in 2009.

Timo GLOCK: Yeah, definitely. It is one of the best races in the calendar. For me the best or the top three. It is just a really good track. Here if you do one mistake you end up in the wall and it is quite different to all the other tracks and in 2009 it was one of my best races here, finished on the podium, second. Looking forward to be back again.

Q: What are your thoughts about this year given that it could be wet. So far, we have escaped the rain but would that be a great leveller? Is it something you would like?

Glock: For us it would be good. It opens up a bit of chance for us. I think in wet conditions it is more difficult here. We will have to see. I think we had one little - I would say -wet practice last year and I felt quite happy with it. It is good fun here so we have to see what we can do if it's wet.

Q: Is that what would make the difference for you do you feel? Or is the car still developing?

Glock: We have a little update here again. I think Monza was quite positive for us. It went in the right direction and the numbers were quite okay. It should be slightly better here but it doesn't change our position. As I said, if it rains, in wet conditions, the races are different and others maybe make mistakes and that's where we have to be on top and finish the race.

Q: Sergio, your first time here. Your first impressions?

Sergio PEREZ: Well yesterday I went to walk the track even though it wasn't completely finished. I think it is a very difficult circuit to learn. I am looking forward to driving at night. It will be my first experience doing a night race and it's a street circuit and I always enjoy to drive on the streets.

Q: Both cars retired with gearbox problems in Monza. Was it the same gearbox problem and presumably now it's been sorted whatever it was?

Perez: Yeah, of course. We try to find the problem and we found it. Now we are looking forward. We lost some good points in Monza due to this. But the team is very confident and looking forward to try and catch the competition, which is Force India. We try to get back the position and hopefully we can score some good points here.

Q: The last two circuits you've thought of as not being good circuits for you. Is this a better one or is a street circuit a street circuit and it's the same for everyone?

Perez: Well I think in a street circuit a driver can make a little bit more difference so let's see how it goes. This is the first time in Singapore for me. I hope we can go well. The last races we have been quite good in terms of pace. Very unlucky not to get a result, but it is looking good and hopefully we can do a good job here.

Q: Daniel, first time here. Again, your first impressions?

Daniel RICCIARDO: Bit the same as Sergio. I am looking forward to another street circuit. It is my preferred type of circuit. I really enjoy Monaco and Macau and these ones. It is always nice to come to a new one. Lots of corners. It is going to be quite difficult to remember where it all goes, but I spent some time on the simulator so it should help me out. I think it is going to be quite physical as well. Drivers I have spoken to say it is one of the harder ones over the season. The humidity and the length of the race, it always seems to be pushing around two hours, so good challenge.

Q: What about in the wet?

Ricciardo: Another good challenge. Should be fun.

Q: There are so many different things here. The lack of grip, the heat, but what's the main impression from the simulator?

Ricciardo: I think it's going to be quite hard on traction. Lot of stop, stop, start. Some other corners where you are turning and braking as well so quite easy quite easy to lock an outside front tyre. I guess until I drive I won't know really where the time is going to be made or where it is going to be lost. But definitely challenging and I expect it to be quite bumpy as well. A typical street circuit. Never easy but always a good challenge and always something the drivers enjoy.

Q: Probably the closest race to home so far. Are many people coming up from Western Australia?

Ricciardo: Yeah, it is only a five-hour flight or so from home. Sounds long for European based people but very close for an Australian. My family and a few friends out to enjoy it. Whether they will be watching the race or up in one of the hotels gambling or drinking a few beers, I don't know but it should be good to have some support.

Q: Sebastien, what is the main thing to take into account for drivers here as there are so many different things: anti-clockwise; it's a street circuit; temperatures get cooler during the evening; humidity, all that sort of stuff.

Sebastien BUEMI: I think it is going to be a very tough race. Like you said all those points are making it a little bit harder for the drivers and the teams. We will have the super soft tyres and the soft as well so we will have to look after the tyres especially in the first few sessions. The weather is a bit unpredictable. We don't know if it is going to be rain or not. It takes a long time to dry up as well so you have got to take this into consideration. Then I think the circuit is quite bumpy so you have got to have in a way a soft car, you need to have a lot of downforce but you need to find a good compromise which is never easy with so little running. But still I think it is going to be a very good weekend and we will definitely enjoy it.

Q: For you this is a bit of a milestone. The 50th grand prix. Does that make you feel as though you are just beginning or are you feeling fairly experienced?

Buemi: I think you always learn whether it is 50 or 100. I don't know. At the end of the day you learn, you have got more experience, you know better what to do. It's the third time for me in Singapore and I think it is going to help definitely. Like we said it is a difficult race and you have got to have a bit of experience if you want to come around it pretty well.

Q: As we said before the car seems to be improving. Have you got further modifications here?

Buemi: We have got a few things, but the main difference is the fact that we will have a lot of downforce here compared to Monza. We closed the gap quite a bit on Force India and Sauber so I would say the fight with them is pretty open for us. Hopefully we will have a good race, but the qualifying we need to see it improve quite a bit but then normally the race pace is quite good so we will see.

Q: Sebastian, you have been second here on the grid, second in the race itself. Is this a good race or a bad race or an average one? Most of them seem to be good for Red Bull Racing?

Sebastian VETTEL: I think it is a very good race. One of the best we have in the season. It's a night race so very much looking forward to it. The circuit, as we touched on already, is one of the toughest for the drivers. To keep the focus it is extremely important so it should be a good race.

Q: Obviously you will be looking at the same two teams as usual, McLaren and Ferrari, but Fernando Alonso seems to be particularly keen here. He has won here twice.

Vettel: Yeah, I mean we will have to see. I think it will be a long weekend. A very long race. Nearly two hours. It is longer than all the other races that we have during the season. Ferrari were very competitive here last year. I think we were equally matched. I couldn't get past on the track, so hopefully this year it is the other way around. I think it will be a long weekend. On this circuit it is hard to predict who is really going to be very competitive. Obviously I think we will be fighting McLaren and Ferrari but also I think Mercedes could have a good chance here so we will see. It is a circuit where the car is important, but I think the driver can make a big difference as well.

Q: Is there still a flow of development parts coming?

Vettel: I wouldn't call it a flow. But we have some bits.

Q: A trickle then?

Vettel: Yeah, we have some bits. You always try to improve the car. It is not another step on Monza package as it is a completely different circuit but it is a step on the car we had on similar tyres of tracks, street circuit, so we will see.

Q: You could actually win the championship here. What are your thoughts on that?

Vettel: As you said would, could, should. So far we haven't won anything. We are in a good position but still some way to go. We have to race and do our normal job and try to achieve our best. It is one of the most difficult tracks for the car, for the drivers. It is a long, long way to the chequered flag. A lot of people talk about it but certain things have to happen. It reminds me a little bit of the situation we faced in Abu Dhabi where people came up every two or three minutes giving another option that is possible. Out of I don't know 1,467 options this could be one. It's not the objective for this weekend. The target is to optimise our performance and then either we get surprised or not?

Q: So we could say you are not in a hurry?

Vettel: Generally our target going into the season was to defend our title. We are in a very good position. There is no reason that the target should change. It doesn't really matter when, it matters to us that it happens and that is what we are working on.

Q: Nico, this is a circuit I think you really enjoy. You have qualified third here and finished second as well.

Nico ROSBERG: Yeah, in general I have had very good experiences here in the past few years. Often been right at the front. I had my best ever position here in 2008 second place so it's a track I enjoy and I hope I can do similarly well again this year.

Q: What is it about the circuit that's so enjoyable?

Rosberg: It's just a street circuit. I go well on street circuits. It's just a big challenge and a lot of fun and quite tough.

Q: When it comes to the circuit and the car is it a good one for the car do you feel?

Rosberg: Not sure. For sure the last couple of races have been good for the car like Spa and Monza where we have seen some progress but here probably a bit less so. But we need to see. We have a few new bits coming here to Singapore and that will improve the car so it remains to be seen. It's a possibility.

Q: In many ways you are quite a traveller. Do these final six grands prix excite you? The very thought that we are away from Europe now and it becomes a massive World Championship in itself.

Rosberg: Of course I find it very exciting to go to see new places, especially. For example, India is going to be a very nice experience. Never been there. Look forward to that and even coming here is great. Singapore is a fantastic place and Japan. It's great venues that we have on the calendar.

QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR

Q: (Ian De Cotta - Today) Sebastian, I know you said 'it happens when it happens' but is there any pressure on you to realise the championship in Singapore?

Vettel: I think there's always pressure on me and on us because we want to achieve our best every single weekend and achieve our maximum so if there's a possibility or chance to win, then we want to go for it. I don't feel any extra pressure trying to win the championship here or trying to win it in one particular place. As I said earlier, we have to just remind ourselves what was the target going into the season and the target was not to win the championship by Singapore or any other race; the target was to win the championship itself. That's why I think this race is as important as all the other ones, to be able to win the championship.

Q: (Frederic Ferret - L'Equipe) Sebastian, last year you were stuck behind Fernando; do you think that DRS could help you to overtake him this year and overtake everyone?

Vettel: I think we have to wait and see. Sure you might have a better chance with the DRS, simply because of the fact that if you're close enough, the car behind is allowed to use it and the car in front is not, like at all the other places. But we've seen this year, firstly depending on distance - so how big the DRS zone is, and secondly, where the DRS zone is, meaning which circuit, which straights and so on. It can make a big difference, so we will have to wait until we find out here.

Q: (Marco Degl'Innocenti - La Gazzetta dello Sport) I would like to know from you all - except Sebastian - what is your personal opinion about the next possible World Champion, Sebastian Vettel? How do you judge him as a driver and fellow?

Buemi: I've known Sebastian for quite a long time now. He's been winning everything that he has raced in so I think he's doing a really good job, especially last year when he clinched the title in the last race. This year's he's had the perfect season, nothing to say. It's been a wonderful season, winning nearly all the races. He's just getting the maximum out of the car and the team. He's done the best job of everyone.

Rosberg: Good driver and deserves to win.

Glock: There's not much to add on that. I think Sebastian won the title last year, had a lot of ups and downs. This year, I think he's just managed to have a near perfect season up until now. I have my money on him to win the championship this weekend so he has to push for it.

Rosberg: How much did you put on him?

Glock: I'm not telling you!

Rosberg: I heard 20,000, is that true?

Glock: Not really, no.

Perez: I think he's really a complete driver, and I think he deserves to win the championship this year.

Ricciardo: Seb sets a good target for us younger drivers, definitely. I think if we can repeat or maybe even one day try and do better, I think it's the ultimate. He's definitely set the benchmark, particular for us Red Bull Juniors. We'll try and follow.

Q: (Livio Oricchio - O Estado de Sao Paulo) Sebastian, this weekend will you take the same risks that you take in other races or will you be more conscious of this race?

Vettel: Well, it depends. It depends on the race that you're in. I think one thing is clear. It always depends - given the risks you take - it always depends on the chances you see. If you see that there's a gap and a chance to pass a car in front, then you go for it. If you think at that moment whether you decide to go for it or not that the risk is too high you don't do it. It would be wrong to drive around with the handbrake on, just say 'OK, I need to finish, I need to finish.' On the other hand, it would be wrong to go into the race and say 'now I need to risk something.' So I think you should just race. In the end, we have a long season, a lot of races. Surely sometimes you will make mistakes, it's natural. But I think the more races you do the more experience you get, ideally the fewer mistakes you make. As I said, we try to get the best out of this race and if we find ourselves in a good position, able to win, and there's a chance and a gap, we have to go for it. If not, there's no need to try something stupid.

Q: (Bob McKenzie - The Daily Express) Jenson is quoted today as saying that despite being fit, that because the race is at night, because of the humidity, the concentration levels, the race is actually a bit long and drivers would like to see it shortened. I wonder what the view is with everybody up there?

Rosberg: Jenson can always stop if he gets a bit tired!

Vettel: I think it's fine as it is. It's the usual distance. Sure the speed is slow here because the average cornering speed is quite slow, so we need a lot of time to manage the 61 laps in the race, but it's one of the biggest challenges we have, so the focus has to be extremely high throughout the race. It's very hot, the humidity is very high. It's very tough for the drivers, the whole thing happens at night, it's more difficult for your eyes. I think it deserves to be a tough challenge. It's long but it's OK.

Glock: It's definitely one of the hardest races but I'm used to [how it was in] 2005 when I did ChampCar. Every race was nearly up to two hours. If you do Milwaukee oval race and you have 225 laps to do, that's a long one. But I have to say, last year here was one of the toughest races for me because I was eleventh at some point in the race and I could hold up a lot of guys behind me and these 15 laps were some of the hardest I think I have ever had to drive. It's all about staying focused and quite similar to Monaco. As I said, if you make a mistake, it's over.

Q: (James Allen - Financial Times) Sebastian, going back to the DRS question earlier on, if you had had DRS last year, knowing what you know about it from this season, do you think you would have been able to get past Fernando, and secondly, there was quite a bit of banter between you and Fernando after the race in Monza about putting you on the grass. Was that always good humoured? You mentioned it a few times, did you feel it was a little bit marginal in the end?

Vettel: First part: it's hard to know. The cars were different last year but I think with DRS I would maybe have had a better chance. On the other hand, Fernando would not have waved me past so I would still have had to make the pass. I don't know. The race is done, we can't change the result. Overall I'm happy with last year's outcome, it's OK.

For Monza, I think he didn't expect me to go on the left, so trying to go on the inside for the second chicane so initially he didn't see me, but as soon as he saw me, he didn't back off but he at least pulled to the right and gave me enough room. It was borderline but I know that if I want to get past, I have to try something. Actually, the lap before was more critical, when I was on the right, on the outside for the second chicane and he moved a little bit under braking to the right side and there wasn't much room for me. We talked about it after the race and I think it's fine. Generally, if you race people like Fernando and people with a lot of experience and people you respect a lot, you can really push the limits and really go wheel to wheel without thinking about it, because you know that the guy will see you and will know that you are there and will give you just enough room - not a lot but just enough.

Q: (Andy Benson - BBC Sport) Sebastian, on that subject, I understand you went to see the stewards about Fernando's driving after Monza.... that's not true?

Vettel: No.

Q: (Michael Schmidt - Auto, Motor und Sport) As you mentioned already, this is a street circuit like Monte Carlo. For those of you who know this circuit, what are the differences from Monte Carlo in terms of driving challenge and driving technique? Is it more or less difficult here?

Glock: I would say Singapore is quite a bit longer than Monaco, but in general it's not that different -maybe it's slightly more bumpy here. And that's it really. It's at night yeah, but that's the difference.

Vettel: In a way it's tougher than Monaco. Obviously I haven't been around that long - maybe you should ask Michael - but I think over the last couple of years we have resurfaced (Monaco) again and again, and tried to make it smoother and better, safer. We've just been here a couple of times - this is the fourth time - but it's much rougher than Monaco in a way. It's very bumpy. At some places there's not a lot of room for mistakes - generally there's little or no run-off on street circuits but I think that given the lap is so long and there are so many corners, it's quite hot, it's humid, I think it makes it a tougher challenge in a way than Monaco. It's a different track, but I think it's tougher around here.

Q: (Heikki Kulta - Turun Sanomat) Nico, which is more difficult: to catch Massa in the championship or keep Michael behind?

Rosberg: My target is to catch Massa, for sure, but that's going to be a challenge. It's also difficult to keep Michael behind, and I just need to keep on scoring points consistently and don't get taken out in the first corner.

Q: (Gary Meenaghan - The National) Do you think that night racing is an unnecessary expense or is it something more circuits should look to try and consider?

Vettel: I think it makes it very cool around here, it's something very special, something we all look forward to. Here and obviously Abu Dhabi, we start just when the sun goes down. It's exciting for us and I think it's also more exciting to watch, in a way. It doesn't meant that all the races have to be night races now, because then it wouldn't be something special, so I think the rhythm we have is very fine and with one or two - maybe three - races in the future per year. I don't know where. It could be very nice.

Q: (Dieter Rencken - The Citizen) I would assume that you've watched either all or part of the re-run of the Italian Grand Prix. What are your comments about Michael Schumacher's driving? Was it within the bounds of sporting good behaviour; what are your feelings?

Buemi: I think that he was really quick on the straight, first of all, and that Lewis had a completely different rear wing setting so that he was on the limiter a lot, which is maybe a better compromise for them in qualifying, but worse in the race. I don't think it was unfair, I think that what he did was quite fair. It was on the edge, at the limit, but I still think that the biggest problem was that McLaren were really short on seventh gear.

Vettel: I think it was fun to watch, that's one thing. Whether it was too hard or not.... in a way it's very easy for us to understand Lewis's frustration: if you are behind, know that you can go quicker and you're stuck because you're short on ratios and the other car is very quick on the straights, and you can't really get past. I saw the race and one move was arguably a little bit too much. I don't know if Michael saw him or not, but out of the first chicane, when Lewis tried, with the speed he had, to go on the inside, it looked like Michael didn't see him so he had to go on the grass.

Q: (Mat Coch) To Sergio and Daniel: having come from the junior categories, what's the style of racing like in Formula One compared to the feeder series?

Ricciardo: I think it's definitely different. In a lot of junior categories you go 110 percent from the green light to the finish and you don't have to worry about other factors coming into play. Fuel effect isn't really anything and your tyres last the race. I think, for me, the more difficult thing, or the different thing to get used to, is maybe at times driving more conservatively. You're always tempted to push 100 percent/110 percent but you have to think about what's best for the tyres and for strategy and situations, so that's probably a brief summary of the differences that I'm experiencing.

Perez: Yes, I think you have a lot more things in Formula One, like different tyre compounds and you have to drive in a different style on each of them, to try to make them last as long as possible. It's a bit similar to GP2 in that way, in that you have to save the tyres a bit, but you also have to be on the limit and try to save the tyres as much as possible. You are always changing your style during the race. This is something very important and important to learn, and you've got to learn during the races, because to make them last and be fast, you have to be changing your style every single lap, every single corner.

Q: Is the track behaviour, is the driving behaviour very different?

Perez: Well, I think it's a combination, it's a combination of both. I would say it's quite different.

Kovaleinen malo zapalio kocnice, trudi se zbog denie :D

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MLADOSTLE
23.09.2011, 13:04
Prosle godine u Singapuru se isto zapalio Kovalainen.

Nebojsa
23.09.2011, 13:39
Dakle ovako, jedna od besmislenijih trening sesija da mogu da se setim. Trajalo je samo sat vremena i cesto je prekidano. Prvo i osnovno, glupi i neodgovorni Singapurcani :dr:

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Ovaj ivicnjak je pravio puno problema. Ostecen je tokom neke od prethodnih trka i ocigledno je popravljen lose. Zbog toga je i kasnila i skracena je sesija. Vajtning se raspravljao sa osobljem na stazi, trzio je da se bolje resi taj problem pre pocetka treninga. Potpuno je bio u pravu jer prvi put kada je Masa napravio gresku i presao preko njega, dobili smo ovu krajnje nebezbednu situaciju. Prekinuli su svima ritam i cisto sumnjam da su odradili svoje programe. Srecom pa je kraj sezone, i sama trka nije presudna za sampionat, jer bi u suprotnom glave padale.
Od ostalih zanimljivosti u tom kratkom periodu kada se vozilo, Veber i Glok su se sudarili, Veber izgubio jedan prednji kraj. Kovaleinenu se zapalile kocnice i to je isto prekinulo trening na nekoliko minuta. Kao sto sam vec rekao, Masa pomerio taj jedan ivicnjak. Na stazi je mnogo prasine i prljavstine, pravi je izazov voziti, tek ce biti veselo u nedelju sa opiljcima od guma. Treba im jedna kraca kisa da to sve spere. Ostajem pri tome da je ovo besmislena staza i proklinjem onog ko je ubaci :dr:
Sto se tice samih rezultata, iako ne moraju biti uopste indikativni iz prethodno navedenih razloga i opisanih uslova, vidi se razlika izmedju najjacih ekipa i ostatka. Trening je uzeo Hamilton i on i Fetel su bili debelo ispred ostatka karavana. Veber posle kontakta, Alonso, Baton dobri ali ne dovoljno blizu. Ostali nisu vredni pomena, zaostali su preko 3 sekunde. Ovim ritmom, 107% ce biti peilican izazov za Virdzin i Hispaniju. Rezultati i prolazna vremena po sektorima:

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Iceman
23.09.2011, 14:06
alonso ce da pobedi ovde..... :D tu nema price..

Vanja #66
23.09.2011, 16:24
Zbog tog ivicnjaka jos vise zelim kisu, neka pada 40 dana! :dw:

Iceman
23.09.2011, 17:24
bice zanimljivo jedva cekam :D

Vanja #66
23.09.2011, 22:15
Hoho SoneNS, kakav avi! :D

Drugi trening - mnogo volim sto vidim, moz da bidne svasta nesto... :D

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 10:54
Danas trening br 3 u 1, kvalifikacije u 4. Kisa je padala, videcemo u kojem je stanju staza. Najavljuje se i za danas celog dana i sutra. Teske odluke pred FIA i direkcijom trke. Videcemo kako je resen problem sa ivicnjacima, juce su tokom drugog treninga ostetili nekoliko bolida, a situacija sa prvog treneinga vam je poznata.

Jucerasnja konferencija, zanimljiva prica o motorima za 2014 i o Robertu Kubici, odnosno vozacima Renoa (boldovano)

TEAM REPRESENTATIVES - Riad ASMAT (Team Lotus), Jean Francois CAUBET (Renault Sport F1), Robert FERNLEY (Force India), Norbert HAUG (Mercedes), Gerard LOPEZ (Lotus Renault), Sam MICHAEL (Williams)

Q: Bob, first of all, what happened to Paul di Resta today?

Robert FERNLEY: We had a problem with the brakes, the machining of the brakes and the hydraulics. Paul has a lot of steel, he’ll bounce back tomorrow.

Q: Obviously the performances are improving and Vijay Mallya has emphasised that. The thing is carrying it through to next year. That is the task isn’t it?

RF: Well, I think next year is a completely different programme. What we had to do at the beginning of this year was to take a step backwards in order to understand where we lost our way at the end of 2010 and what you see now is the evolution of all that work coming through. Obviously with the change of regulations with the blown floors next year is a completely different ballpark.

Q: Have you already started work on next year? When are you finishing development on this year’s.

RF: We started work on next year’s some time ago. This is probably the last major upgrade that we will do for the 2011 car.

Q: And the battle with Sauber?

RF: Very hard. They are very competitive. They are not going to give in easily, so we will have to work as hard as we can.

Q: Is that something you look forward to?

RF: Yes, very much so. They are a good team, working hard. I mean all the teams in all fairness in that midfield area are incredibly competitive and we are going to have to work very, very hard to hold onto sixth place. Sam managed to beat us last year by one point. I don’t want to repeat it this year.

Q: Jean Francois, you are heading for a World Championship victory I am sure. That is almost certain, but what are Renault’s feelings about it?

Jean Francois CAUBET: I think if we win the championship this year it will be the 10th time in 20 years. We think we did a good choice to sell engines and stop managing a team and I think the long-term strategy we will have with the Red Bull team is a good thing for future of Formula One and Renault.

Q: What is Renault Sport’s position within the Renault group as it were?

JC: Renault Sport is doing only Formula One. We were 200 people last year. We will be 250 next year. It is a key point and the board is pushing Formula One in Renault now for the long term. I think that is good news.

Q: Is that expansion because of the new engine?

JC: Yes, I think we have 25 people coming from Renault mainly to develop the electric side of the V6 but we will have 40 next year and one team is 10 people more.

Q: Riad, a new job as CEO. Tell us about your new job and what it concerns?

Riad ASMAT: Well, I guess we have expanded in actually owning a car company as well as an engineering business and ever since certain developments that is the new role. I look into not just the Formula One side of things but the actual road car and engineering business from this point. A bit more work actually.

Q: So you are in charge of everything?

RA: Well, technically!

Q: You are from Malaysia but also Singapore as well. How do you see the Singapore Grand Prix?

RA: I think it is one of the best on the calendar as well. Just having family from Singapore helps. I am assured support in one form or the other. It is just next to Malaysia so we represent Asia to a certain degree and we hope we will be able to push our name, our brand, into the region.

Q: There are rumours of a name change but also a change of location for the team, whatever it might be called. It has been for so long in Norfolk it is difficult to imagine that Team Lotus will be elsewhere.

RA: I’ll take the one question first which is the location. Our home in Norfolk, in Norwich in Hingham, and that is, for sure, never going to change. That will be maintained as one of our parts but as a team that is growing and progressing we need to have a look at how to get more efficiencies out of the team and one of the main areas is to be in the motorsports belt of the UK. It is something we are looking into and when the time is right we will make the necessary announcement. But for sure Hingham is our home.

Q: Will you keep facilities there?

RA: Yes, we bought the place and it is home for us. We will never go away. On your second point?

Q: The name change?

RA: Name change. No decision as yet. We are still Team Lotus as you can see but as my shareholders have mentioned we are open to anything and we will see how it progresses from this point.

Q: Gerard, we hear about new facilities and new investment in the team. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

Gerard LOPEZ: Yes, we essentially wanted to bring the place we are in right now, Enstone, up to the best standards in Formula One and it was missing a couple of things. One was the wind tunnel, which was still only 50 per cent scale. The second one was the driver simulator and then also a couple of logistical areas so we have decided essentially to expand the factory. Improve the wind tunnel up to 60 per cent, which is the maximum allowed and build the new simulator.

Q: Is that really state-of-the-art or even better than anybody else’s?

GL: I think everybody else that is a state-of-the-art team has the 60 per cent tunnel so I think that is matching essentially the best. On the simulator, as far as we know, it is probably going to be one of the very best simulators in the business.

Q: Are there plans for further investment?

GL: We have to invest every day essentially, just because it is a Formula One team so things become obsolete quite quickly. I think we have maxed out in terms of personnel. When we took over there were about 480 people. There are 520 I believe now, so we increase that number. The investments will continue essentially as much as we need to, to try and be where we want to be, which is a top three team in Formula One.

Q: Your third driver is the new GP2 champion Romain Grosjean. What are your plans for him?

GL: It’s a question that I need to take from a different angle, also of a management company that manages his career. I think the plans for a GP 2 winner, especially one that wins it in such a convincing manner, is to be in Formula One. We are going to try and help him sit in a Formula One car next year.

Q: Actually you were in a difficult position until quite recently of having five drivers for two cars potentially.

GL: And more. There’s people that are interested just in case. But right now we have a commitment to Robert (Kubica). He has done amazing things for the team. We know what he is capable of and I think any team would take him if he is capable of delivering the same thing. Our commitment is to try and see if he can come back and we will wonder about anything else afterwards.

Q: Sam, a sad moment for you isn’t it, leaving Williams?

Sam MICHAEL: It’s been a great 11 seasons with them. I think they were such a prestigious name and it has been an honour to work with Frank (Williams) and Patrick (Head). This weekend is the last race and the main thing for me is that we finish everything off properly which we are doing. I leave Williams with a very good relationship with the company. I have nothing but good memories of the place but it is time for a change after so many seasons.

Q: When exactly do you join McLaren?

SM: That’s not decided yet. That is something being discussed privately so it’s not really appropriate to go into that here.

Q: But you’ve got a bit of gardening leave have you?

SM: Well, as I said, I better not discuss that here.

Q: Tell us about the technical challenges of this circuit?

SM: Well it’s a street circuit, so it has very low grip. There is always a lot of oil on the circuit so you always get a lot of progression of lap time during the weekend as the Formula One tyres pick up a lot of the debris and contaminants on the surface. It is similar to Monte Carlo, which is like that as well. The most important thing is slow-speed corners, getting rid of understeer, making sure traction is good. There are no real high-speed corners compared to a normal closed circuit. It’s a maximum downforce track and quite a few kerbs as well around this place. You can do a lot of damage there. Normally quite difficult to overtake around a track like this but with DRS and the tyre situation there should be plenty of overtaking on Sunday.

Q: Is it a little less bumpy than before?

SM: The track itself is. The actual tarmac, but the kerbs are just as big. They are hitting the kerbs even harder now.

Q: We have seen quite a lot of bits and pieces coming off most cars.

SM: That’s right. A lot of that is because they are trying to take more and more kerb as there is lap time in it.

Q: is that something we have seen today or are we going to see that for the rest of the weekend?

SM: Well I think today you will see a lot more of it as the drivers are trying to find out how far they can go and how much damage they can get away with. Then tonight you will repair your car and tell them where you can and can’t drive.

Q; Norbert, Michael Schumacher’s performances over the past couple of grands prix. Two fifth places.

Norbert HAUG: Well I think he was excellent in the last two races. He was very good in some of the other ones, probably not at the right position. Our current car is not capable of doing a much better job and I think especially in the races, especially after the starts, nobody overtook more cars than Michael did in the first lap. He is an excellent starter, still a fantastic racer and the more we improve our technical package the more he will deliver. I think we know from Nico (Rosberg) what he is capable of doing so we have a very strong driver combination. I think a lot of people got excited in Monza. It was fantastic to watch and the guys like us who like racing enjoyed it very much. I can understand Martin (Whitmarsh). I had a word with him afterwards. I can understand Lewis (Hamilton) but if they had been in our position they would not have acted differently and I guess 99 per cent of the television viewers enjoyed it. Probably more than that.

Q: Do you expect those sort of performances to continue for the final six races or was that just the two ow downforce circuits?

NH: Well it certainly fitted much better to the current package we are having. This race here in Singapore, first of all it is a fantastic event I have to say and hopefully it stays forever on the calendar. It is producing the most spectacular television pictures. It is so unique and we all have to thank the organisers and Bernie (Ecclestone) for making this event happen. But it is a challenging track. It probably looks not such a typical street course but you could see what happened today. The walls are very close. The drivers push to the limits. We discussed that right now so I think there will be a lot of surprises here. For us, it will be challenging. We made a good step between first practice and second practice. We’re heading in the right direction. Hopefully there is a little bit more to come but we honestly cannot expect a Monza or a Spa like performance under normal circumstances. But, having said that, this race will have safety cars probably. You need to be there. There is a chance of rain, whatever, so that can be quite a mix up in the field and we need to be prepared. Michael will deliver. There is no doubt he is as committed as ever. I think we have to see that he was outside of Formula One for three years. The formula changed a lot. There is no testing and so on and so on. He gets more mileage and he gets better and better and I think not a lot of drivers could have done a better job than he did in the last two races. His race speed, if you compare it to Nico, looks very balanced and Nico is – and I think Sam can describe that as well – certainly one of the most talented, most experienced ones. One of the definitely top five drivers and if you can compare yourself after a comeback, after a break of three years, with one of the young superstars, then you are heading in the right direction. For me it is a little strange to say Michael will create surprises because he won everything, he won more than anybody else, but believe me the better our car goes the more he will deliver and he is fully committed. He is an asset to the team, doing a fantastic job, keeping the together, motivating everybody and we are 100 per cent pleased to have him with us.

QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR

Q: (Joris Fioriti – Agence France Presse) A question to all of you. What do you think of Sebastian Vettel’s performances this year. Don’t you think that his domination harmed the sport a little bit and would you want him in your team?

RF: Let’s take it a step at a time. I think Sebastian has done a fantastic job this year as have Red Bull and it is up to the rest of the teams to challenge them. I don’t think Red Bull should be asked to slow down. We need to get our act together and to be competing with them so hat’s off to them and well done. There have been many, many years when a driver has dominated or a team has dominated so I think you have got to look at the overall package this year of racing and I think it’s been outstanding across the board. I think the show is probably the best it’s been for a long, long time. The fact that one team and one driver has dominated I don’t think has detracted from that. Would I like Sebastian in our car? I think we have got two or three rather good drivers. I am quite happy with what we have thank you.

JC: I hope that when Sebastian will have the title, if it is this grand prix or the nest grand prix, he will push a little bit more as I am sure the race will be more interesting at the end. For Renault, it is difficult to ask the engineer to slow down the engine or blow up the engine. I don’t think so.

RA: Well he has done a fantastic job again. I think it is also the team that has done their part. Again, their domination I refer to Bob’s point. We have seen domination and it is up to us to push ourselves. We are from behind but we hope to achieve some sort of success in the future. On him being a part of our team, I don’t think we can afford it, but we have got a good couple of drivers right now and we are happy with what we have and we will push on from there.

GL: I would concur – not trying to be boring – but I think they have the best car and they have somebody who can use it to the maximum, so he deserves to be where he is. I actually know him quite well for a long time already, so I can pretty much tell you that he deserves to be where he is today. And I will say the same thing as far as the drivers go: we have drivers that we like but he’s a great guy.

SM: I think he’s done a fantastic job for the second year in a row now. It’s not the races when Red Bull are dominant, it’s the ones when they are not that show that he’s really something special. He’s won races when perhaps maybe they shouldn’t have won and he’s managed to drag… although the car’s clearly very good, they haven’t been dominant at every single circuit and some of the races that I’ve seen him win this year have been pretty impressive. So definitely hats off, he’s deserved it.

NH: Sebastian is certainly a very special guy, very talented guy. I’ve known him since his early days in Formula BMW ADAC, the supporting races of DTM. Then he was a Formula Three driver with Paul di Resta. He learned a lot, he’s a very focused guy, a very intelligent guy, a very demanding guy and an absolutely nice chap. We absolutely have to take our hats off to him. He’s great, he deserves every single point he has got, probably more because he was unlucky here and there and he deserves what he has got. I don’t think that the World Championship isn’t interesting; in fact I think that this is one of the most thrilling seasons ever and I’ve been around for quite a while. The Pirellis have done a good job, the DRS has done a good job, there have been lots of surprises. There was Jenson Button being last in Canada for example, and then winning, doing lap times two seconds quicker than anybody else all of a sudden. There was Michael’s performance there, as an example. I could continue for hours. There were lots of surprises in Formula One this year, which nobody would have expected, even the specialists. There was always a certain dominance in Formula One. There were the Williams days, I remember, the McLaren-Mercedes days, the battles with Ferrari and now it’s the Red Bull days with Sebastian and also Mark doing a good job. But for sure, no dominance will last forever. We know that from the past. Everybody else will work very hard. We have a good relationship with Sebastian, friendship, I respect him very much and I think it’s the same the other way around. We are, as I pointed out, very satisfied with the drivers we have. We want to climb up the ladder with the combination that we have, make another step next year and then we will see where we are.

GL: It’s been one of the surprises for me in Formula One. The fact that any time we have a new driver, any time we announce something, any time I take a trip to Brazil or Russia or whatever, suppose I’m looking for money for the team. The fact is that we’re involved in a lot of businesses. This one, as a matter of fact, is one that we hope is going to be break-even at some point in time. It’s not but it’s not one that needs to make money for us. We make money somewhere else. I used to answer this giving examples and so on. To be honest, I don’t care any more because if it was reality we wouldn’t be there for a long time. I think the team that we took over had about 480 people. We saved those jobs and added about forty jobs to those. Facts speak for themselves. As I said, I used to get quite angry every time I would pick up something like that. Now it’s almost like crying wolf and nobody cares. The fact is that the facts are there: we are investing, we’re adding sponsors. Our drivers, whenever they get called pay drivers, I actually feel bad for them, not for us because at the end of the day, there is no driver that I think or I hope could bring enough money to actually carry this kind of team forward. I find it disrespectful to those guys. I used to find it disrespectful to us, to be honest with you. Now I don’t any more so now what we do is we get on with the things that we have to do. We make the investments that we have to make and at the end of the day we will see – in terms of results – what will be in the future and hopefully we will be wherever our investments carry us, which is to be one of the top three teams.

Q: (Chris Lyons – Associated Press) Sam, I know your interest is much more on the sporting side than on the financial side of things, but on a broad principle, Williams going forward in the years to come – not just next year but in the years to come – are they in a situation where they will be able to make decisions on drivers based purely upon what they bring to team in terms of ability or is Williams in that situation now where it’s got to look more towards sponsorship and the financial aspects rather than just pure talent?

SM: If you take the first part of your question about Williams financially, they are obviously entering a lot of different areas of their business such as WHP with the hybrid power system – that’s standing out to be a very… an industry that’s going to open up a lot over the next few years. They already have contracts with major motor manufacturers, so that’s one area that’s quite strong. They’re obviously investing pretty heavily in Qatar. There’s the new Jaguar programme as well. There’s lots of different areas that Williams is diversifying into to ensure… which a lot of other teams have done as well. McLaren is a good example, earlier than Williams, and that will continue to be more and more profitable as years go on. That will help Williams put themselves into a good position. Other teams have done it, there’s nothing to say that Williams can’t either so I can’t see that that will be an issue for them in the future.

With respect to their finances, if you then come to their drivers, if you look at the two drivers this year. We’ve got Rubens who is obviously an experienced guy, a multiple Grand Prix winner. Although Pastor Maldonado is a rookie, he’s GP2 champion and he’s run pretty close to Rubens all year. If you take out the first four or five races, which is entirely normal for any rookie, I would normally say that a rookie needs a couple of years, but you can definitely start to see the signs as to whether the guy is capable or not by mid-season and I would definitely put Pastor Maldonado in that category. And if he wasn’t in that category, he wouldn’t have kept his drive going forward. So I can see the guy having an even stronger year next year when he knows all the circuits, because he’s still on a slope. He’d never turned a lap around here before this evening, so I would say that to say that Williams are taking their decisions on drivers from a financial point of view is not really correct at the moment, because otherwise they wouldn’t be choosing the drivers that they have. I think Williams will make the choices that are best for the company and the best results. That’s what it will come down to.

Q: (Dieter Rencken – The Citizen) Question to Norbert and Jean-Francois regarding engines, both at the moment and 2014 onwards. We used to have a situation where there was a maximum number of teams that an engine supplier could supply. In 2014, we could possibly have as many as five manufacturers supplying twelve teams and when you look at it, somehow five into twelve doesn’t work that well, particularly when you’ve got one manufacturer supplying four teams with engines. What do you people think the maximum should be allowed, both from a sporting and a financial, commercial point of view?

NH: For me it should be an open market, that’s it, basically. I hope we’re in a position to have five engine manufacturers, that would be very pleasing for all of us, I think. This is even more competition, but maybe we have less than five, we will see. It doesn’t look bad at the moment. The rules are heading in the right direction; over a five year period there will be lots of cost saving. All us engine manufacturers work very constructively on that point together with Ferrari and Renault, especially Cosworth also and our target is to save thirty percent budget over a five-year period which is challenging but which is achievable. For us, if five teams chose the engine X, then they should do so, it should be a free and open market.

J-FC: By regulation, today it’s four teams, but I share that same advice, I am pushing for an open market because we are in Formula One and regulations cannot solve all the problems. I think the key point is not how many teams, the key point is which teams because when we are dealing with top teams, it’s not easy to have one or two top teams when you provide the same engine. The problem is more with who and how many teams.

Iceman
24.09.2011, 11:17
na ovom 3-cem treningu ocekujem da ce se boriti za prvu poziciju rbr i ferrari...ovog puta meklaren ce biti iza njih 4-oro...ali nikad se ne zna...jedva cekam kvalifikacije i da vidimo sta ce se dogadjati

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 11:22
Cekaj da vidimo hoce li biti ista zbog kise... Ne bih ja tek tako lako otpisao McLaren pored Masse i Webbera...

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 11:23
na ovom 3-cem treningu ocekujem da ce se boriti za prvu poziciju rbr i ferrari...ovog puta meklaren ce biti iza njih 4-oro...ali nikad se ne zna...jedva cekam kvalifikacije i da vidimo sta ce se dogadjati

Realno niko se nece boriti, mislim da ce se probati kisni setapi, pa ce vremena biti manje vise u drugom planu ;) Ako uopste bude treninga i kvalifikacija, ta refleksija moze biti prilican problem. U takvim uslovima ne ocekuj puno od Ferarija, oni su pokazali da najbolje funkcionisu sa supermekim i u toplim uslovima, ni jednog ni drugog nece biti vrlo verovatno. Zapravo su ovi uslovi nesto najdalje u odnosu na tu konfiguraciju.

Ipak trenutno nema kise i dobro je vreme, ali trenutno... Videcemo jos gde to ide.

Iceman
24.09.2011, 11:25
to znam....jesi primetio da alonso ima istu kacigu kao sto je imao u monte carlu...:D

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 11:28
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/131700/alonso-inline.jpg

:tu2: Meni je jako cool :D

Iceman
24.09.2011, 11:42
da kaciga je odlicna .. :D

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 11:59
radarguruf1 Emlyn Hughes
#F1 radar update 18:53 SGT: Radar now clear across the whole of #Singapore. No rain threat for final practice.

Nema kise na poslednjem treningu :D

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 12:05
Jos i za kvalifikacije kad bi tako bilo...

Kaiga je sjajna, zlatna kaciga, za zlatnog momka u zlatnom timu! :D

Iceman
24.09.2011, 13:29
3-ci trening je protekao dobro bez kise i bez incidenata...kjise valjda nece biti ni na kvalifikacijama,dok za sutra ocekuju kisu....



1 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:46.081
2 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:46.108 0.027
3 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:46.345 0.264
4 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:46.396 0.315
5 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:46.936 0.855
6 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:47.831 1.750
7 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:47.837 1.756
8 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:48.711 2.630
9 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:49.057 2.976
10 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:49.304 3.223
11 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:49.583 3.502
12 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:49.679 3.598
13 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:49.816 3.735
14 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1:49.851 3.770
15 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:50.189 4.108
16 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:50.229 4.148
17 9 Bruno Senna Renault 1:50.523 4.442
18 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:50.547 4.466
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1:52.510 6.429
20 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1:52.697 6.616
21 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 1:53.728 7.647
22 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1:53.823 7.742
23 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:53.829 7.748
24 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1:55.203 9.122

pretorian
24.09.2011, 13:33
Vettel ima bar sekundu u džepu, McLaren se muči, Ferrari je na ivici, Mercedes mnogo bolji na crvenim pneumaticima nego žutim, sauber dobar.... ništa se ne zna.

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 13:44
Evo rezultata treceg treninga:

http://www.f1-serbia.com/images/stories/vesti/Septembar/sing_fp3_rez.jpeg

Veber - Baton - Fetel - Alonso - Hamilton - rupa - ostali. Ipak ovaj poredak treba uzeti sa rezervom jer je Fetel imao dva ludacki brza kruga, ali je oba puta naleteo na guzvu, pa je odustajao. Tokom treninga je uglavnom bio pola sekunde ispred ostalih, Mercedesi mu nisu prisli ni kada je imao vreme na mekim, a oni na supermekim. Red Bul ima tempo i cini se da cemo prisustvovati jos jednoj pol poziciji, mozda 1 - 2. Ferari standardno, sa Alonsom blizu na supermekim, sa Masom daleko svakako. Ipak Masin zaostatak od 2.5 sekunde na istim gumam je prilicno teko objasniti, jedino ako su u pitanju testiranja setapa. Ferari najbolji u prvom, Red Bul u trecem sektoru. Meklaren stabilan tokom celog kruga, ali bez dominacije. Baton izgledao stabilnije od Luisa ali to ne mora nista znaciti. Vec pomenuti Mercedesi nisu ni blizu. U svakom slucaju izgleda kao jos jedan odlican vikend za Red Bul, sa pravim razvojem situaciju, mozda sutra dobijamo najmladjeg dvostrukog sampiona svih vremena :D
A sto se tice staze i ivicnjaka koji unistavaju bolide, mogu reci samo, vratite Tursku, bacajte ovo :dr:

Iceman
24.09.2011, 13:45
nebojsa vec sam izbacio rezultate....

@pretorian za vettela je tacno da ima sekundu u dzepu...videce se na kvalifikacijama...

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 15:36
Ih, bre, Kamui, di si sad naso da se sigras sas ogradu... :wall: I bolid i njegova glava ovako, u zid... Steta, nije strasno, steta na bolidu je minimalna, samo desna poluosovina, ali mozda je mogao i u Q3, ovako, bice 17. na startu...

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 15:46
Ovo je klasika na ulicnim stazama, kada se neko slupa sledi dugprekid, sutra ce to mnogima poremetiti trku i taktike.

Ajmo Bruno majstore :ajde:

pretorian
24.09.2011, 15:54
Rekoh vam da sačekate sa pohvalama za Sennu.

Ali, braćo voditelji, NIJE se Hamilton kockao već je bio u brzom krugu a u trećem sektoru imao problem sa zadnjom desnom gumom, verovatno zakačio zid negde!!
Kako to niste videli!!!
Vettel će da pojede sve u zadnjem delu.

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 15:58
Rekoh vam da sačekate sa pohvalama za Sennu.

Ali, braćo voditelji, NIJE se Hamilton kockao već je bio u brzom krugu a u trećem sektoru imao problem sa zadnjom desnom gumom, verovatno zakačio zid negde!!
Kako to niste videli!!!
Vettel će da pojede sve u zadnjem delu.

Slazem se, amateri :dr:

Cestitke Ricardu, blizu Virdzina po vremenu.

Fetel 1:44:3 :huh:

ClayWarrior
24.09.2011, 16:19
Piece of cake... sutra po drugu titulu

Tesko je slusati ovu dvojicu bez Srdjana, ko god da su

Iceman
24.09.2011, 16:21
jbt vettelu je samo bio dovoljan 1 krug da ubije konkurenciju.....svaka cast stvarno...ferrari podbacio 5 i 6....ali videcemo sutra na startu kako ce bit....

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 16:22
Petrov ispao u Q1, au! Senna odvezao solidno, poigravao je bolid dosta, ali nije lose, narocito sto je 2-1 za njega u kvalifikacijama... Vettel (gle cuda) uzima pol, a Webbera, Buttona, Hamiltona i Alonsa deli treptaj oka, dakle nista... Bice tu dobre borbe za podijum, pobednik se, nazalost, zna... Ukoliko se ne desi nesto potpuno nepredvidjeno, recimo da se Massa slupa u zid, ili da padne kisa, bice ovako, prevelika je razlika u vremenima, a Vettel je mogao sigurno jos 0.15s-0.2s brze da odveze, da se potrudio, a nije bilo ni potrebe... Massa i Mercedesi za 6, 7, 8, a mozda i FI bolidi uspeju tu nesto da promene... Di Resta, recmo 7, sto da ne... Steta sto Perez nije usao u Q3, mada ovako je bolje za trku, mogao bi negde na 8. mesto minimum, bas bi lepo leglo... Ostali, manje vise standardno. Evo rezultata:

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2992&d=1316877286


Piece of cake... sutra po drugu titulu

Tesko je slusati ovu dvojicu bez Srdjana, ko god da su

Ne verujem da ce sutra pokupiti, izmacice mu za poen, ali treca za redom pobeda na Suzuki bi lepo proslavila tu titulu...

ClayWarrior
24.09.2011, 16:26
Ne znam ni koliko mu treba do titule a vise nije ni vazno, njegova je

Kad malo bolje razmislim, bolje da je ostvari na nekoj pravoj stazi a ne medju ovim zidovima

Iceman
24.09.2011, 16:28
vettel ce postati sampion ako pobedi i da alonso ne bude na podium....

pretorian
24.09.2011, 16:28
Rekoh vam da će Vettel da pojede sve!!
Nego, Massa je podbacio, vremena Webbera, Buttona, Hamiltona i Alonsa su vrlo blizu i mogao je biti i obrnut red:
1. Vettel - vanzemaljski krug
2. Webber - 1:44.732
3. Button - 1:44.804
4. Hamilton - 1:44.809
5. Alonso - 1:44.874
To je razlika od 0.144 između 4 vozača.
Uglavnom to je vrlo dobro za trku.
Rekao bi da će posle 1. kruga redosled biti Alonso, Vettel, Rosberg (a što da ne), Button, Hamilton....no videćemo.
Bravo za Force Indiu!

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 16:31
Nema se mnogo sta reci... Potpuno ocekivano, sve je slozeno - Red Bul, Meklaren, Ferari, Mercedes, Fors Indija.
Fetel prvi i Red Bul je na putu da ostvari sezonu sa svim polovima, sto se nije dogodilo u novijoj istoriji. Ne izgleda da bi iko skoro mogao da ih prestigne. Sa vrlo malo predvidjenih promena za sledecu godinu, stvarno nije moguce videti kraj ove vladavine. Meklareni odmah iza, takodje ocekivano, Baton pokazuje da je trenutno u nesto boljoj formi od Hamiltona. Ferari se drzi kao treca snaga, ali sve vise mi se cini da je to zbog Alonsovog umeca, nego zbog cistog tempa. Masa je imao rezultat u rangu Rozberga i Sumahera. Njih dvojica su solidno odvozili, ocekivano na osnovu rezultata ove godine. Fors Indija odlicna, mnogo stabilniji tempo imaju od Renoa i ozbiljno se namecu kao najbolji od ostatka karavana.
Konacno neki solidan ritam Vilijamsa, prvi put posle dugo vrmena su oba vozaca bili blizu 10. Perez ispao crna ovca za top 10, izbacen u poslednjem krugu od Di Reste, ali iz trke u trku pokazuje bolje rezultate od Kobija, iako Japanac ima vise iskustva. Ostali manje vise u ocekivanom izdanju, sem Renoa koji je ponovo debelo podbacio.
I za kraj da pomenem Ricarda, brzi od Liucija i blizu rezultata Virdzina, za svaku pohvalu.

Ice, rezultat Ferarija je skroz ocekivan, Masa mozda malo podbacio, mada sam vec poceo da ocekujem ovakve plasmane od njega.

Vanja srecan rodjendan, tek sad sam video... :happy:

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 16:47
I za kraj da pomenem Ricarda, brzi od Liucija i blizu rezultata Virdzina, za svaku pohvalu.

Da, nisam ni primetio, drago mi je zbog toga, mozemo li se nadati njemu u TR bolidu sledece sezone? Rekao bih da da...

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 16:49
Gotovo je sigurno, samo treba videti koga ce sutnuti, ili koga ce uzeti neki drugi tim.

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 17:06
Buemi mi je nekako blize tome, to jest, da bukvalno dobije krila... Jaime na prethodnih 6/7 trka ima bolje rezultate od Buemia... Ali kad se ovako sagleda, najbolje bi bilo da Webber leti, Jaime u RBR, a Riciardo u STR, ne bi bilo lose da imaju jednog stabilnog i iskusnog vozaca u STR... Ako ne leti Webber, letece Buemi, dobijam informacije sa druge astralne ravni... :D

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 17:09
Buemi mi je nekako blize tome, to jest, da bukvalno dobije krila... Jaime na prethodnih 6/7 trka ima bolje rezultate od Buemia... Ali kad se ovako sagleda, najbolje bi bilo da Webber leti, Jaime u RBR, a Riciardo u STR, ne bi bilo lose da imaju jednog stabilnog i iskusnog vozaca u STR... Ako ne leti Webber, letece Buemi, dobijam informacije sa druge astralne ravni... :D

Buemi je i stariji i imao je vise sansi, ne bi me cudilo da je astralna ravan u pravu... Mada bih ja voleo da vidim Danija i Vernjea (ili Vernja), ali to nije bas realno... A Haimea mogu da posalju u HRT, i ovako traze Spance :biggrin:. Btw, verovatno cemo Klosa gledati sledece godine u HRTU. Ona spanska firma sto im je sada vlasnik gadja samo domace vozace, a ovaj ima neki sponzorski paket od nekoliko miliona...

Nebojsa
24.09.2011, 19:27
Na stranim forumima pise da je trenutno teska ladovina medju vozacima, partijaju posto i ovako lezu oko 5, 6 ujutru zato sto funkcionisu po evropskom vremenu. Jedna karnevalska atmosfera gde svi ocekuju promociju novog sampiona.

Vanja #66
24.09.2011, 19:35
A svira im Linkin Park trenutno... Jaoj, okrutna sudbino, zasto mi nisi poslala neke novce, da odem i ja da zurkam sa njima... :party:

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 10:11
http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/185520.jpg

Samo za Vladana i bice :D Cim budem imao neke informacije u vremenu javljam.

Fetelov krug za pol poziciju.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYnNcJ9g5g

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 10:43
radarguruf1
#F1 radar update 16:43 SGT: All clear across #Singapore so far today and not a shower to be seen on the radar. Max air temp 32c/90f.
2 minutes ago

Za sada sve cisto i suvo, bez najava pljuskova, ali se oni u tom delu sveta ne mogu potpuno iskljuciti. 95% cemo imati potpuno suvu trku. Kao i obicno funkcionise formula suprotono od onoga sto vidis na F1 sajtu.

Naleteo sam na jednu zanimljivu statistiku, koja moze da bude prilicno vazna za danasnju trku. Na 3 trke koje su odrzane na ovoj stazi, sejfti kar je izlazio 5 puta. Samo su Hamilton i Alonso vodili vise krugova od SC.

Mr.M
25.09.2011, 11:32
Ja juce prvi put nakon 2 godine nisam gledao kvalifikacije ;) ... Ova sezona vise nema zanimljivost. Kome je zanimljivo gledati kada se svetski sampion vec zna ;) Ovo je unistavanje F1. Nadam se da ce sledece sezone McLaren i Ferrari napraviti neke promene a tu ocekujem konacno nesto i od Mercedesa , da se malo Lotus,Virgin i HRT izjednace , pa vec 2 godine su tu , ne veurjem da ce vecno ispadati u Q1 , onda im nema smisla da vise ucestvuju. Sve u svemu ovde je za ocekivati pobedu Vettela i kraj sezone :) Cak 4-5 trka pre kraja :facepalm:

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 11:43
Miko, bez obzira na to sto je sampionat resen, svakako ce trke do kraja biti zanimljive. Ne vozi se F1 samo zbog toga ko ce biti sampion na kraju godine. Meni je ova sezona najbolja u prethodnih xx godina, koliko zanimljivih trka, prestizanja, taktika, uticaj guma. Vrlo zanimljivo, Fetel se najbolje snasao, svaka mu cast. Ne treba se duriti sada zato sto nije pobedio onaj za koga ti i ja navijamo. Treba uzivati u najboljem trkanju na svetu, to je sustina...

Edit:

http://s7.directupload.net/images/110925/b4n2rkl2.png

:rofl:

Edit2:

Nove informacije o vremenu:

@radarguruf1
#F1 rain radar 19:00 SGT: Nothing to report. Radar is clear across the whole of #Singapore with T-1hr to go. Dry race expected.

Tony_G
25.09.2011, 12:15
Slazem se Nebojsa, ne pamtim ovako zanimljive trke, a evo prethodnih sezona bilo je neizvesno do samog kraja ali zato bih na svakoj trci zaspao od dosade.

Inace mislim da razlika izmedju Red Bulla i McLarena, Ferrarija nije tako velika kad su trke u pitanju, ali na kvalifikacija Red Bull unistava konkurenciju, kako, zasto? Nznm, ali kad dodje trka nema te razlike. Medjutim na startu Vettel malo pobegne dok se iza njega krljaju i do kraja odrzava prednost. Jos jedna stvar koja je doprinela ovako ubedljivoj tituli su mnogi pehovi Hamiltona, Buttona i Alonsa, jedina konstanta je Vettel, ovi ostali se samo smenjuju u vrhu, ali to nije zbog nemoci njihovih ekipa, prosto nesrecan splet okolnosti. Odavno smo zakljucili da je ovo Vettelova sezona, covek nije imao nijedan jedini peh, sve mu je islo na ruku.

bice
25.09.2011, 12:26
U koliko sati je trka?

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 12:27
Upravo je i meni to zanimljivo, zasto je Red Bul toliko dominantan na nivou jednog kruga, tj kvalifikacija. Jedina varijabla koju ja vidim je kolicina goriva, pa mozda oni ubedljivo najbolje funkcionisu na praznijem rezervoaru. To bi se onda uklopilo u ono sto Veber pruza u kasnijim fazama trke, kada postaje ubedljivo najbezi na stazi, jer bi Fetel uglavnom vec obezbedio pobedu, pa nema zasto da juri. Kada su teski imaju samo neznatno bolji tempo od drugih. To je neka moja teorija.
Ono sto je mene takodje odusevilo je da je RB postao ono sto je bio Ferari u Sumi danima, najbolji takticari i najbrzi u boksu, to im donosi te male kljucne sekunde. Uz to mislim da je ovo ubedljivo najpouzdaniji Njuijev bolid.

@bice U 2, standardno.

bice
25.09.2011, 12:28
Hvala,nisam bio siguran,posto su juce oko 16h bile kvalifikacije...

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 13:05
Di Resta na prime pneumaticima, imace drubaciju taktiku od ostatka top 10. Veber los na startu, cudna li cuda :facepalm:

Hoce li neko na chat?

http://www.chatzy.com/300711426065

Ponovo Luis na Sumija :wicked:

bice
25.09.2011, 13:20
Dosadne li trke :yawn:

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 13:22
Dosadne li trke :yawn:

Tek je pocelo, Hamilton je pokazao da se moze stizati;)

Hamilton :dr: Da li taj covek moze da odveze trku bez incidenta? Lepo sto je agresivan, ali za ovo mora da bude kaznjen drasticno, ap desva mu se vec 5 - 6 put ove godine.

Vanja #66
25.09.2011, 14:26
Bice gusto, da li ce se ova trka zavrsiti sa 61 predjenim krugom...

bice
25.09.2011, 14:53
Sumi me razocarao,pa neces valjda u dupe da mu udjes...:wall:

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 15:02
Sumi me razocarao,pa neces valjda u dupe da mu udjes...:wall:

Nije ocekivao da ce Perez onako dobro da se brani.

ClayWarrior
25.09.2011, 15:05
Svaka cast decko, cista dominacija!!

Sampioni dana su ipak komentatori koji boj biju sa prostim brojevima.. prvo na startu koji je bio veoma miran ne umeju da izbroje koj je na kojoj poziciji a ni na nekoliko krugova pred kraj nisu bili nista bolji.. ostalo da i ne pominjem

Vanja #66
25.09.2011, 15:13
Schumi nije ocekivao onako rano kocenje, uopste nije ocenio poziciju njih dvojice na stazi.... Kako sam umro u toku trke... :wall: Ima li ova trka ikakav smisao? Ne, osim da Lewis jos jednom nekog cepne od pozadi, da Massa uspe da prestigne Pereza u zadnjem krugu... Bravo Massa, kakav si ti vozac, najbolji vozac od svih onih koji nisu svetski sampioni, nesmunjivo! :wall: Mada, da sam na njegovom mestu, gadjao bih Hamiltona kacigom posle trke, tek reda radi, da izbaci malo frustracije iz sebe, satro, Hamilton mu je kriv za sve...

Ali trka je bila... :sick: :bum: :mute: :cf: :fp2: :td: :slp2: :pc1:

Svaka cast Vettelu, odlicno je odvezao, stabilno, kontrolisao je u potpunosti trku u svakom mmomentu, Button takodje pokazao zasto je sampion, Webber, pa, on je iskoristio situaciju sa Alonsovim kocnicama (pregrevale su se kao nenomralne), Hamilton spasio dan, :wthy: Di Resta :wthy:, Rosberg, Sutil, solidno, Massa :sick:, Perez je mogao i na 7-8 da nije imao bliski susret...

pretorian
25.09.2011, 15:32
Schumi nije ocekivao onako rano kocenje, uopste nije ocenio poziciju njih dvojice na stazi.... Kako sam umro u toku trke... :wall: Ima li ova trka ikakav smisao? Ne, osim da Lewis jos jednom nekog cepne od pozadi, da Massa uspe da prestigne Pereza u zadnjem krugu... Bravo Massa, kakav si ti vozac, najbolji vozac od svih onih koji nisu svetski sampioni, nesmunjivo! :wall: Mada, da sam na njegovom mestu, gadjao bih Hamiltona kacigom posle trke, tek reda radi, da izbaci malo frustracije iz sebe, satro, Hamilton mu je kriv za sve...

Ali trka je bila... :sick: :bum: :mute: :cf: :fp2: :td: :slp2: :pc1:

Svaka cast Vettelu, odlicno je odvezao, stabilno, kontrolisao je u potpunosti trku u svakom mmomentu, Button takodje pokazao zasto je sampion, Webber, pa, on je iskoristio situaciju sa Alonsovim kocnicama (pregrevale su se kao nenomralne), Hamilton spasio dan, :wthy: Di Resta :wthy:, Rosberg, Sutil, solidno, Massa :sick:, Perez je mogao i na 7-8 da nije imao bliski susret...

hehe sviđa mi se izliv emocija....
Ajde prvo da prebrodimo ove komentatore, stvarno je više bruka šta Sportklub dozvoljava ali srećom oni meni nisu potrebni za praćenje trke. Žao mi je onih što ne mogu bez komentara.... evo sad kažu da je oko pola dvanaest, ponoći u Singapuru, a u stvari je 10:20.
Nego trka....
Nije bila toliko dosadna, ali samo zbog guma.
90% preticanja se desilo zbog razlika u istrošenosti i samoj tvrdoći guma. Tj. ili su bili na različitim pneumaticima ili su bile manje ili više istrošene. Iskreno, sve manje mi se sviđa to što
gume igraju ovoliko veliku ulogu (kao i kad su Michelinke imale toliku prednost nad Bridgestone gumama po vrućinama)
Vettel - znao je od početka da će pobediti, maksimalno skinuo nogu sa gasa na kraju....
Button - isto kao i Vettel, džabe se nadao na kraju da će moći da stigne Vettela (i više me nervira to pominjanje Kanade - da Vettel nije napravio grešku, Button ga ne bi prestigao!!)
Webber - imao sreću da se Alonso mučio 50 od 61 kruga.
Alonso - dobro odvezao trku, izvukao maksimum iz bolida i pored kočnica
Hamilton - Neverovatno mi je da mu sudije dozvoljavaju da se ovako ponaša iz trke u trku. Džabe sav talenat kad se ovako ponašaš. Još komentatori kažu da su zato trke zanimljive.
Sudari nisu zanimljivi... Ali kad nije pravio sranja i u prvih nekoliko krugova na novim gumama, bio je brz.
Di Resta - nije pomenut ali svaka čast!!
Rosberg - mislio sam da će moći da bude bolji.
Sutil - dobra vožnja, mučio se zadnjih 20 krugova.
Massa - Hamilton mu je upropastio trku, bio bi 5. ili 6. na kraju. Dobro je i ovo. Videćemo šta će biti do kraja sezone.
Perez - pa ok, s obzirom da je rookie, nije loše. Sa malo više iskustva, mogao je da bude 8.
Renault - katastrofa loši.
Pohvale za Kovalainena, većinu trke je vozio ispred petrova i alguersuarija.
Schumacher - sa pravom je mislio da će Perez da ga pusti pošto je bio brži od njega, ali Perez je odustao od puštanja i u deliću sekunde desilo se šta se desilo....racing incident
Inače safety car je najviše pomogao Webberu i Hamiltonu, a najviše odmogao Alonsu.

Vozač trke za mene je Di Resta.
Ćurka trke za mene je (pored Renaultovih vozača, Hamilton)

Fire away...

Tony_G
25.09.2011, 15:32
Jos samo 1 poen, prakticno smo vec posle Spa znali da je Vettel sampion... Danas opet situacija koja mu ide na ruku, posle Safety Cara izmedju njega i Buttona su bila 3 vozaca koja su zaostajala za ceo krug, i naravno dok ih je Button prestigao razlika je bila oko 6/7s, naravno ne pokusavam nista da oduzmem od Vettela, ali eto nema nade da se nadje u nekom duelu.
Hamilton ponovo popio kaznu, jbg, ako mene pitate ono je trkacki incident, Massa ga zatvorio, ovaj nije imao gde i doslo do sudara, mislim da nije bas uvek moguce odrediti krivca za incident, ali dobro, i pored toga Hamilton peti, mada da nije bilo 5 pit stopova verovatno bi se borio za podijum sa Buttonom i Webberom.

Komentatori - posebna prica, koliko gresaka, neverovatno, nije mi jasno da ljudi NE VIDE sta se desava na stazi, ne vide ko je ispred koga, ne prestaju da pricaju za vreme team radia, ma katastrofa. A vrhunac na konferenciji za stampu: Webber kaze da nije mogao da stigne JB-a (Dzej Bia), a komentator prevodi Dzejmija! Pa ko je uopste Dzejmi?????????
Srdjane vrati se!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pretorian
25.09.2011, 15:36
Hamilton ponovo popio kaznu, jbg, ako mene pitate ono je trkacki incident, Massa ga zatvorio, ovaj nije imao gde i doslo do sudara, mislim da nije bas uvek moguce odrediti krivca za incident, ali dobro, i pored toga Hamilton peti, mada da nije bilo 5 pit stopova verovatno bi se borio za podijum sa Buttonom i Webberom.

S poštovanjem, nisi u pravu. Massa je bio s unutrašnje strane i imao trkačku liniju. Nos Hamiltonovog bolida ni u jednom trenutku nije bio ispred Massinog. Hamilton je trebao sebi da da sebi dovoljno prostora i izabere drugačiji ulazak u krivinu - samim tim bi lako prestigao Massu posle izlaska iz krivine.
Pogledaj snimak, pa ćeš videti.

Tony_G
25.09.2011, 15:42
S poštovanjem, nisi u pravu. Massa je bio s unutrašnje strane i imao trkačku liniju. Nos Hamiltonovog bolida ni u jednom trenutku nije bio ispred Massinog. Hamilton je trebao sebi da da sebi dovoljno prostora i izabere drugačiji ulazak u krivinu - samim tim bi lako prestigao Massu posle izlaska iz krivine.
Pogledaj snimak, pa ćeš videti.

U pravu si, ali prosto to je deo trkanja, ne vidim potrebu za kaznjavanjem. Isto kao sto si ti rekao da je Schumacher - Perez racing incident. Pa Schumi je takodje imao dovoljno prostora sa svoje desne strane da izbegne Pereza, pa to nije ucinio nego je pravo na njega naleteo.

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 15:57
Za moj ukus ovo je bila relativno dobra trka, najbolja koju ovakva staza moze da pruzi. Steta je sto Baton ranije nije krenuo u napad, moguce da bi Seb ponovo popustio pod pritiskom. U svakom slucaju bilo bi zanimljivije. Redom-
1. Fetel - desetka, do poslednjih nekoliko krugova najbolja trka koju je odvozio u ovoj sezoni. U momentu kada se sklonio SC naredjao je 4 superbrza kruga i prakticno tu uzeo trku. Ove godine kada pobegne, stvarno mu je veoma tesko parirati. Steta jedino sto niej vec danas krunisao sezonu titulom. Da objedinim, jedna zrela trka velikog vozaca i sampiona.
2. Baton - najstabilniji danas, nijednog momenta drugo mesto nije bilo pod znakom pitanja, kao sto rekoh, steta sto ranije nije krenuo agresivno, bilo je guzvu moglo je da bude svacega. Na kraju ga je kostala borba dva Vilijamsa. Najbolja sezona u karijeri, racunajuci i onu kada je bio sampion. Sada je drugi u sampionatu (jedini sa teoretskim sansama da stigne Fetela), bice prezadovoljan ako tako ostane. Biti ispred vozaca onako dominantnog Red Bula. Kako jos nije potpisao za sledecu sezonu zasluzio je ugovor bar tezak kao Hamiltonov.
3. Veber - ocajan start, posle toga dobro do odlicnog, na kraju podijum, i otprilike preslikana vecina trka tokom sezone. Odlican manevar protiv Alonsa u prvom delu trke. Nedopustivo je da sa ovako dobrim bolidom ne ostvari nijednu pobedu ove godine. Ima jos pet prilika, videcemo kako ce biti do kraja. Najbitnije je da donese timsku titulu RBu. Ipak izgleda da nema materijala za vozacku titulu.
4. Alonso - dobar start, borba za podijum na koji bi verovatno i dosao da nije bilo problema sa gumama. Ponovo nije imao snage da prestize, ali je konstantnim krugovima uspeo da odrzi cetvrtu poziciju. S obzirom da je Ferari odustao od ove sezone, ovo je sasvim solidan rezultat.
5. Hamilton - glavni glumac, ali se i dalje nadam da ce ga Vitmars poslati kod psihologa. Ili da ce mu Deni to reci da uradi. Agresivnost je ok, ali na ovaj nacin je jako opasan i po sebe i po druge, covek je tempirana bomba. Napravio je gresku, pokvario trku i sebi i Masi. Posle toga je napravio 10ak prestizanja sto je pravi podvig na gradskoj stazi. Ali mora da se smiri i koncentrise, ne sme vise da pravi gluposti, ne vozi sampionski. Atraktivno da, ali ovakvom voznjom ostace na jednoj tituli, sto je steta za talenat poput njegovog.
6. Masa - Ne vredi trositi reci, ili mu nedostaju znanja ili srece. Ako bude jos koji put u karijeri treba da je presrecan. Slab u kvalifikacjama, los u trci, jedino vredno pomena je ona borba sa Perezom na kraju. Nadam se da ce ga Meksikanac sto pre zameniti u tom Ferariju. Mnogo vise zasluzuje taj bolid od Felipea u ovom momentu. Brutalno ali istinito.
-Ostali - Za Fors Indije naklon do zemlje za ceo vikend, dobili su Mercedese, sto je velika stvar. Pol di Resta plasman karijere, i odlican argument da bude sto pre u nekoj jacoj ekipi i borbi za titulu. Mercedesi lose, na kraju Niko 7. a Sumi pokazao da je ipak malo zastareo. Kompletno njegova krivica za onaj incident, mogao je da izbaci jos dva bolida iz trke. Perez odlican, da nije bilo incidenta sa Sumaherom, verovatno bi bio i bolje plasiran. Agresivan, tesko prelazan, borben, sa solidnim vremnima krugova, iscedio je apsolutni maksimum iz tog Zaubera. Za Reno je najbolje da ovaj vikend precrtaju i zaborave. Nikad dalje od bodova. Vilijams sa druge strane imao odlicnu trku, ostali bez bodova, ali napredak je odlican, ocigledno su price o Raikonenu imali pozitivne efekte, kao i izvrsene promene. Nadam se da ce sledece godine sa Renoovim motorima biti mnogo bolje plasirani. Ostali ne mnogo vredni pomena, sluzili su kao cunjevi.

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 16:06
Za oba incidenta su krivi Hamilton, odnosno Sumaher. Obojica su se precenili na kocenju.

bice
25.09.2011, 17:01
Najdosadnija trka sigurno...Gledao sam do momenta kad je Sumi odustao i nisam vise,posle ukljucio oko 4 h i vidim ostalo jos 4 kruga..
Pod hitno da se izbaci ovo..grozna trka...:td:

Iceman
25.09.2011, 17:37
sta da kazem
idem redom:
vettel-momak je stvarno zasluzio ovu titulu.....od pocetka do kraja je vodio svaka cast...
button-dobro je vozio ali se videlo odma na pocetku da nije mogao nista da uradi....ali posle nemacke buton redja dobre rezultate i on je ostao jedini u trci za titulu xaaxaxaax :rofl:
webber-da nije bilo safety car-a bio bi 4...ja ne znam sta on vise trazi u red bullu
alonso-sjebao ga je safety car a i kocnice....jbg nadam se da ce barem jednom pobediti do kraja sezone zasluzio je :D
hamilton-budaletina teska dao bi mu suspenziju za sledecu trku...covek je ubedljivo prvi po broju kazni i prekrsaja
di resta-svaka cast vozio je cisto i perfektno
rosberg-nadao sam se da ce biti barem u top 5
sutil-dobar rezultat za sutila i dobri poeni za force indiu
massa-hamilton ga je kostao 5 mesta...jbg nzm ni sta massa trazi u ferariju
perez-solidna trka bodovi svaka cast
sumi-nije ocekivao da ce perez onako da se brani..
renault-podbacio skroz valjda ce biti bolji u japanu

pozdrav!

Tony_G
25.09.2011, 17:52
E neverovatno mi je kako za Hamiltona svi kazete da je budala, preagresivan, neoprezan...
A za Sumija da nije ocekivao da ce Perez onako da se brani.
Cak bih rekao da je Sumi mnogo lakse mogao da izbegne Pereza, nego Hamilton Massu, ali ajde.

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 18:01
Sumaher je bio jednako neoprezan u ovoj situaciji, to sto je Perez bio agresivniji u odbrani mu ne daje pravo da se zabije u njega od nazad, a Hamilton je budala ne na nivou ove trke, nego na nivou cele sezone, da ne kazm karijere.

pretorian
25.09.2011, 18:27
Da se opet nadovežem...
Schumacher i Hamilton su pravljeni od istog materijala i obojicu će uvek pratiti i dobre i loše stvari koje su uradili.
Globalno, Schumacheru možeš da pripišeš recimo 6 velikih i glupih grešaka na nivou njegove karijere i gomilu sitnih.
Hamilton ima samo ove sezone toliko velikih i glupih grešaka!!
Niko ne sumnja da su i Hamilton i Schumacher dobri vozači ali ne možeš da braniš Hamilton tako što navodiš greške nekog drugog.
Pitanje je: Da li je Hamilton pogrešio danas? Jeste. Apsolutno i 100% je on kriv za koliziju. I to je to.
Drugo pitanje bi moglo da bude: Da li je hamilton jedan od tri najbolja prirodna vozača/trkača sadašnjice? Da, jeste, ali ne pričamo o tome.

Vladan
25.09.2011, 19:31
Nista novo, Sebastijan je jednostavno nedostizan, do skoro nije imao ovoliku prednost na trkama, sad ima i on danas nije zvanicno dosao do titule, to ce uraditi na legendarnoj Suzuki. Svaka mu cast stvarno, kapa dolje za sve sto radi ove sezone.

Baton dobar, na kraju su mu dali i neku nadu da moze do pobjede, medjutim nije Fetel toliko forsirao i zbog toga je i spustio zaostatak na svega nekoliko sekundi. Posle izlaska SCa se nije moglo bolje posto je bilo previse zaostalih vozaca i posle jednog kruga je bilo 10 sekundi za Fetela. Jos je u trci za titulu, ali znamo svi da od toga nema nista, u najboljoj je poziciji da bude drugi na kraju ako mu to sto znaci.

Veber ima ogromnih problema sa startom i tu najvise gubi, kako trka odmice on je sve bolji i bolji, ali taj start je njegova najveca boljka, ovoga puta je bar uradio dobar posao za Fetela na startu, iako mu to nije bio cilj vjerujem.

Alonso ne moze bolje od ovoga, jednostavno nema bolid za tako nesto. Ferari je u ovom trenutku daleko i od Meklarena, a posto vise nece nista raditi na ovom bolidi vec ce se fokusirati za sledecu sezonu od njih se moze mozda ocekivati neki podijum i to je sve.

Hamilton je cudo, zahvaljujuci njemu sve su trke zanimljive i uzbudljive. Posle loseg starta odlicno se probio, potom onaj kontakt sa Masom pa onda samo zacelje, potom i odradjivanje kazne, ali covjek jednostavno zna da vozi, fenomenalno 5. mjesto na kraju, samo je steta sto malo ne spusti gas, imao bi mnogo bolje rezultate.

Di Resta sjajan, taktika sa tvrdjim guimama na startu je donijela rezultat, pomogao je i Sumi naravno, ne vjerujem da bi ovako visoko zavrsio da nije bilo onog incidenta, ali to ne umanjuje sjajnu voznju Britanca.

Rozberg bez zara, ocekivalo se vise od njega, bio je ispred Sumahera zahvaljujuci ranijim odlascima u garazu, medjutim na stazi je Sumi bio mnogo brzi i jednostavno je imao bolji tempo, Nika je Luis nekoliko puta dosta lako obisao, morace malo hrabriji da bude i stvarno je neuspjeh zavrsiti iza Fors Indije, jeste Fors Indija napredovala, ali Mercedes je i dalje brzi, ovoga puta Niko nije napravio razliku.

Sutil je sigurno nezadovoljan sto je iza klupskog kolege, ipak je on ime i ocekuju se velike stvari u buducnosti, siguran sam ipak da su u timu prezadovoljni, oba bolida u bodovima i to u dobrim bodovima.

Masa jos jednom pokazao da to vise nije to, nestvarno djeluje da on ne moze da stigne Pereza,Rozberga,Sutila i Di Restu, na kraju 9. ali to mora mnogo bolje. Imao je problema u trci, onaj incident sa Luisom mu je dosta toga poremetio, ali nema agresivnosti kod Felipea.

Sumaher odlicno vozio do onog incidenta sa Perezom. Nije se nadao da ce se Perez tako snazno braniti, bilo je mozda i malo naglog kocenja, medjutim sta je tu je. Do tog 30. kruga Sumaher je bio brzi od Nika, Niko je ranije isao u pit i posle prvog izlaska imao 11 i po sekudni prednosti da bi to Sumi spustio na 3 i po, posle drugog je imao oko 8 sekudni i vidjeli smo da mu je Sumaher dosao na sekundu kad se desio taj sudar sa Perezom.

Vlijams opet slab, kao i Reno, veliki pad, daleko su od bodova trenutno, kraj je sezone i vjerovatno se nece mnogo toga promijeniti i sada vec treba da pocnu da pripremaju bolide za narednu. Dobra trka za Pereza, mnogo je radio u ovoj trci.
Sve u svemu nije losa trka bila, ipak se ne ocekuje to od Singapura, imamo dosta preticanja i to je najvaznije, zbog guma naravno.

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 19:41
Vladane ne bih se bas slozio da je Vilijams bio slab. Ovo im je jedna od boljih trka sezone, iako nisu imali bodove. Barikelo je bio u bodovima do 4, 5 krugova pred kraj, onda je imao ocigledno nekih problema, i prestigao ga je Maldonado.

Vladan
25.09.2011, 19:46
Ne znam,oni trebaju mnogo konkurentniji da budu,nisam siguran jesu li uopste napredovali,iako jesu to nije nista posebno,samo me nervira sto ni Reno nista nije pokazao,prevelika je razlika trenutno izmedju njih i Fors Indije.Masa i Barikelo vise nemaju sta da traze po meni i F1 ce biti bolja bez njih

pretorian
25.09.2011, 19:49
Nemojte biti preoštri sa Williamsom, pa ni da je Newey radio na aerodinamici Williamsa, ne bi ništa uradili jer imaju loše motore...
Biće drugačije sledeće godine....

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 19:51
Ne znam,oni trebaju mnogo konkurentniji da budu,nisam siguran jesu li uopste napredovali,iako jesu to nije nista posebno,samo me nervira sto ni Reno nista nije pokazao,prevelika je razlika trenutno izmedju njih i Fors Indije.Masa i Barikelo vise nemaju sta da traze po meni i F1 ce biti bolja bez njih

Tuzno, ali vrlo istinito. Vilijams je promenio deo tehnickog osoblja, Majkl je otisao dosao je Kohlan (onaj iz Meklarena sto je suspendovan posle Spajgejta, inace je genije). Zato ih je zanimljivo pratiti.

djolee
25.09.2011, 20:00
na momente dosadna trka, no na kraju verovatno najuzbudljivija trka ovde (thank you DRS). Razočaran sam razlikom između prva tri tima i ostalih, to me uopšte ne raduje, pogotovo kad se uzme u obzir da se i Mercedes i FI odvajaju od ostatka..

Williams je ove sezone smešan, ko god da vozi taj bolid mislim da ne bi bio u poenima, pa je trenutno svejedno ko ga vozi (i eto pokušavajaći da odbranim Barrichella, dao sam argument onima koji ga napadaju - obzirom da je u ovakvoj situaciji možda bolje dati šansu mladom vozaču.. :D)

Nebojsa
25.09.2011, 20:13
Barikelo je sasvim dovoljno mlad, da ne kazem da je u najboljim godinama (samo ih ima 39 :biggrin:) Zao mi je da gledam Vilijams tako nisko, ipak se radi o jednom od najboljih timova u istoriji F1.

Vanja #66
25.09.2011, 21:37
Uzbudljivost koju donosi DRS je ravna uzbudljivosti koju donosi trka 125cc motora... Jednostavno je previse lako preteci, cak i one koji su u bolidima direktno konurentnima tebi... Webber je recimo imao preoblema sa DRSom, videli ste i sami da nije imao nikakvu prednost sa tim DRSom u odnosu na Alonsa... To je ono sto me dodatno nervira sa KERSom i DRSom, zavise od kompjutera i sve to moze vrlo lako da propadne, mislim da jedino Vettel nije ni jednom imao problema ove sezone sa DRSom...
Hamiltonovih 10ak prestizanja kojima je stizao do pozicije su prestizanja bolida koji su daleko ispod McLarena, a Rosberg se maltene sklonio njemu sa puta, kao i Sutil (oba puta)... I on i Schumi su vrlo krivi u svojim incientima, s tim sto je Schumi daleko losije prosao... Pricao je Coulthard da vestacko svetlo donosi drugaciji utisak o velicini bloida, tj. imate utisak kao da je bolid kraci... Samo, kako njima, tako je i ostalima, svi voze na istoj stazi i ako su mogli drugi da se malo obuzdaju i voze blago opreznije, mogli su (ili nisu, s obzirom na temperament)... pretorian je lepo izneo poredjenje Schumija i Hamiltona...

A sto rece Vladan, Massa i Barichelo bi trebalo da su van F1, dodao bih jos Webbera, vrlo je moguce da je puko posle prosle sezone kad je u tri trke izgubio lepu prednost u sampionatu i na kraju nije ni vicesampion bio, Schumachera, dobro je pitanje da li mu treba sve ovo, on kaze da mu treba, da mu treba trkanje, :wthy: za stav, :facepalm: za tvrdoglavost i spremnost da se pod "stare" dane degradirana nacin koji mozemo videti 2010. i 2011.
HRT i Virgin... Ukoliko malo ne mucnu glavom i probaju nesto nekako drasticno da promene, njihov boravak u F1 ce se ispostaviti kao jedno veliko bacanje para iz dokolice, nepotrebno je reci da je to po meni neopevana glupost...

Vanja #66
26.09.2011, 09:51
Sta su rekl i ikako se osecaju:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2011/9/12573.html

Kazem ja lepo da bi Massa mogao ladno da uzme kacigu i gadja Hamiltona njome, tip nije hteo ni da poprica sa njim...

Elito, pogodio te deo za Webbera, jel?